On a recent trip to Chester in the North of England I paid a visit to the cathedral with my family.  At the entrance was a font with some remarkable imagery on it, dating back a couple of hundred years. Photography is not permitted within the cathedral, so I took a long-exposure shot without a flash so as not to upset anyone there.  As a result the image (left) is a little blurred.  Nevertheless, one can make out the salient features.

by Andy Lloyd

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So here is some photos I took of a church in a city 30 miles from where I live. I know what these symbols are, in fact I've done extensive research on the topic, but I've never seen them in association with the Lutheran church. I know some West Asian Catholic/Gnostic churches use them .... Also on television I saw an ad for another local Lutheran church and behind the pastor that was talking was a banner with the name of the church and something else and a large "Rosicrucian" looking rose symbol? I did some background on the church and apparantly that part of the church was constructed in the 1930's. 

posted on 21-7-2006 at 02:01 PM (post id: 2356173) - single 
QUOTE by  Mordecai81@ATS

Sorry... I don't think I explained enough. I said I already know what the symbols mean, I've done extensive research on all of them which by the way...

The all seeing eye according to the traditional pseudo-Christian lie represents God The Father, not the Holy Spirit because The Father is the head of the trinity and the all seeing eye represents that omniscience and omnipresence. The dove represents the Holy Spirit, Like in the New Testament gospels when John the Baptist baptizes Jesus in the Jordan River and the Holy spirit descends upon him in the shape of a dove (Luke 3:22). And the cross represents the Son of God (at least you had one right). But anyway I don't mean that to be contentious, but I'm looking for info from someone who knows a little more about the connection between Lutheranism and the occult. I'll give you a small summary of what I know of the symbols so there is no confusion.

posted on 21-7-2006 at 02:52 PM (post id: 2356287) - single
QUOTE by Mordecai81@ATS

For this article we are only interested in the "Winged Disc" image. Though it is known that the symbol here is applyed to part of the Trinity in the from representing the Holy Spirit, it is never the less obvious that the symbol itself has evolved from the Ancient winged disc of the Sumerians and Egyptians. This is not really a surprise as most symbols evolve with the needs of the new user. But it is still an interesting example of how we hold on to Ancient symbols. It is this reuse of old symbols that fires the imagination of those seeking conspiracy in everything. But who knows, is it mere coincidence?

Below are several symbols that are similar with their respective origins and meanings.
 

Pendant worn by Sumerian King representing the Dark Star	Representation of  Mount Meru  Mountain of Power	Modern Symbol Denoting Radiation Energy

Used by Rosicrucian "Spiritual Enlightenment"	Used by Christians "Holy Spirit"

Image © AMORC

Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis

The Rosicrucian Rose

From "Geheime Figuren der Rosenkreuzer" {Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians}

The rose is a yonic symbol associated with generation, fecundity, and purity. The fact that flowers blossom by unfolding has caused them to be chosen as symbolic of spiritual unfoldment. The red color of the rose refers to the blood of Christ, and the golden heart concealed within the midst of the flower corresponds to the spiritual gold concealed within the human nature. The number of its petals being ten is also a subtle reminder of the perfect Pythagorean number. The rose symbolizes the heart, and the heart has always been accepted by Christians as emblematic of the virtues of love and compassion, as well as of the nature of Christ—the personification of these virtues.  MPH

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The Luther Seal
 

The Luthor Rose
 

Rosicrucian Rose Coincidence?

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Q: Was Martin Luther a Rosicrucian? Was Luther's seal of Rosicrucian design? I was informed that this group is closely associated with the Masons, and if the petals of the flower in the seal are connected, an occult pentacle results.

A: Martin Luther was not a Rosicrucian. Luther's theology, as beautifully summarized in his Small Catechism, is totally at odds with Masonry and Rosicrucian-ism.

This is what he had to say about the rose in his seal: "...(The) heart is fixed upon the center of a white rose, to show that faith causes joy, consolation and peace. The rose is white, not red, because white is the ideal color of all angels and blessed spirits. This rose, moreover, is fixed in a sky-colored ground, to denote that such joy of faith in the spirit is but an earnest and beginning of heavenly joy to come, as anticipated and held by hope, though not yet revealed...."

One Lutheran, three generations after Luther, was mistakenly thought to be a Rosicrucian. He wrote a satirical treatise on astrology and alchemy and some people didn't get the joke.

Q: I was wondering what the WELS view of the metaphysical organization, Rosicrucian Order, AMORC based in San Jose, California. Can one be a Rosicrucian and a member of a WELS church?

A: According to the Dictionary of Cults, Sects, Religions, and the Occult the Rosicrucians hold a pantheistic (everything is god) worldview and teach reincarnation. Although they speak of the Trinity, the god of the Rosicrucians is a detached and impersonal entity composed of seven different spirits that are presented as different aspects of the Christian Trinity. The Rosicrucians distinguish between Jesus and "the Christ." They speak of the Christ-spirit as being an aspect of the so-called universal Christ, while Jesus was merely human.

Since such teachings are contrary to the Scriptures and deny even the basics of Christianity, it would be a contradiction for a person to be a Rosicrucian and a member of WELS.