Posted by blue bird, on April 18, 2007 at 11:22 GMT

quote: Originally posted by Jonathanlock
I was wondering the same thing. Trees make oxygen from carbon monoxide. Isn't Mars filled with that? If that white part truly is snow, there will be more than plenty of water for this #ing forest to drink .... which leaves only one thing: photosyntheses.
All life needs the sun :)

It seems - there is WATER or at least NASA found evidence of Mars gushers and craters that have FRESH deposits that they believe "were formed by water flowing out recently."

Excerpt;

NARRATOR: How recently?

MALIN: Within the last five years.

the rest of the transcript...
NASA: "Recent Water Gushes and Craters on Mars" (On File)

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So - what are forest//tree stuff on images?

quote: Originally posted by blue bird
So - what are forest//tree stuff on images?

Well Arthur C Clarke says 95% chance they are trees... so I will go with that for now until Matt gets the spaceship finished 

It seems pretty clear that there is water there. It is obvious there was a lot of water at one time, so it had to go somewhere and there isn't enough water ice at the poles to account for all of it...

Did it evaporate into space? Maybe

I have some old Tibetan writings that tell of a war that ripped the atmosphere away, but I am still working on that 

Maybe the Anunnaki opened a Stargate under the Martian ocean and sent all the water to Earth causing the Great Flood... That would solve two problems. Where the Martian water went, and where all the water from the flood came from... sounds crazy? Maybe but there is evidence for that 

Maybe it went beneath the surface....like on Earth. 

Huge Underground "Ocean" Found Beneath Asia

Excerpt

Researchers found the underground "ocean" while scanning seismic waves as they passed through Earth's interior...

SOURCE: National Geographic  (On File)
 

Map courtesy Eric Chou/WUSTL

No.

Very fine dust. If you look to the right you will see that there is some of that dust over a sloping area.

And that photo is from one of the Rovers, even if it was a lake it would be only some centimetres wide.

quote: Originally posted by ArMaP
And that photo is from one of the Rovers, even if it was a lake it would be only some centimetres wide.

Well ArMaP sand or water....

Mind telling me what THIS is?
 

quote: Originally posted by blue bird
LAKE????

Pictures not working
But I already had the trees and lakes :up:
 

More Lakes on Mars...

NASA/JPL via AP

NASA's Mars rover Opportunity found evidence for a lake or sea on Mars, and new research suggests the body of water was deep, large and long-lasting.

Study Claims Lake on Mars Was Wide, Deep

SPACE.com
Excerpt

NASA's Mars rover Opportunity found evidence for a lake or sea on Mars, and new research suggests the body of water was deep, large and long-lasting. Opportunity captures a close up of a rock called El Capitan. Surrounding hematite suggests the area was once soaked with water. 

Opportunity studied a rock outcropping rich in a mineral called hematite, which combined with a certain type of sulfate revealed there must once have been water at the landing site. NASA announced the discovery in March. The new study, which includes observations from the orbiting Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey spacecraft, finds that similar outcrops are widespread...

SOURCE: USA Today (On File)

quote: Originally posted by ArMaP
No.Very fine dust. 

Fram crater - this can be 'fine dust' - but it looks like water was there a moment ago!
** again - NASA Recent Water Gushes and Craters on Mars -water recently as 5 years
 

Image Source: Mars News.de

750 kB panorama

Lake !?
 
 

Image Credit: NASA/JPL/ASU Image Source: Mars News.de

quote: Originally posted by blue bird
Fram crater - this can be 'fine dust' - but look like water was there a moment ago!

Most people forget (or don't even know) that very fine dust behaves almost like a fluid, that is why Diesel engines can work with coal dust.

And if you look at that picture you posted you will see that, unlike water, that fine dust is higher on one side of the crater than on the other, probably because of the wind.

Edit: on the second picture you posted, you can see that the "lake" as something that looks like a shadow of itself to the upper left, again probably just a different coloured dust blown by the wind from the "lake" over the ground beside it.

quote: Originally posted by ArMaP
...probably because of the wind...
...again probably just a different coloured dust blown by the wind from the "lake" over the ground beside it.

Hmmm so you don't know... its PROBABLY just dust... and the Winds of Mars have the ability to sort sand and dust into various colors and place them so that they look like lakes...

Interesting theory... kinda wacky though... 

Well okay.. lets forget about all the images but one for a minute...

This one...
 

Now seeing as the ESA has identified this as water ice...

And that "the warmest soil occasionally reaches +81° F (27° C) as estimated from Viking Orbiter Infrared Thermal Mapper. "(NASA) it then becomes a mute point to attempt to prove that there are lakes on Mars...

The image I posted earlier granted is a Co2 "lake", but the one above is without question a lake.. whether frozen or not...

Seeing as you did not comment on that one being dust, I logically assume that you know full well that it is indeed a lake with frozen di-hydrogen oxide that at least for short periods will warm enough to thaw.

PS Trivia - Water is Hydrogen "rust" 

Posted by zorgon, on April 19, 2007 at 19:16 GMT19:16 GMT (ID:3129531)

quote: Originally posted by blue bird
Lake!?

You forgot to add the text from Themis regarding the above lake... (B&W)

THEY are not calling it dust... fine or otherwise...

Excerpt

We chose this area because of the presence of craters in the vicinity, which we hope will help with our thesis about the presence of craters that contain lobates as use for evidence that there might once have been water in this area.

This image is causing us considerable difficulty due to the presence of a structure that resembles a lake located in the center of the crater.

NOTE: The above caption was written by the MSIP team that targeted this image. There has been no editing of content by ASU.

SOURCE: NASA THEMIS

quote: Originally posted by zorgon
Hmmm so you don't know... its PROBABLY just dust... and the Winds of Mars have the ability to sort sand and dust into various colors and place them so that they look like lakes...

It's obvious that I do not know, I have never been to Mars (as far as I am aware of it) so I can only speak about what those things may be.

And yes, Mars winds have the hability to sort sand and dust in the same way Earth winds have that hability, not because of their colours but because of the size of the particles and their density, as you probably know.

quote:
Seeing as you did not comment on that one being dust, I logically assume that you know full well that it is indeed a lake with frozen di-hydrogen oxide that at least for short periods will warm enough to thaw.

I don't know if that is a frozen water lake, but I think that it probably is.

quote: Originally posted by ArMaPI don't know if that is a frozen water lake, but I think that it probably is.

LOL there you go... now that wasn't so hard was it?