This image above is a NASA presentation image from Apollo 11 of the Earth rising over the Moon. For some reason NASA is intent on showing us that the Moon is Gray. Even if that means they have to overlay a grayscale image on a color image.

We first found this image when I challenged a skeptic at ATS. His claim: ALL NASA images ever taken are available to the public. Well we know this is not the case, but I finally just said...'Okay I may be wrong and don't have all the sources. If what you claim is true, please link me to the high resolution Lunar Orbiter set for all five spacecraft AND the high resolution TIFF format files from the Apollo Mission.

The conversation... 

(The conversation is important because it tracks the events surrounding finding the directory with Apollo TIFF files only to have NASA remove them while we were working on them and sadly I posted the link before I had downloaded the set, something I have learned never to do again)

Originally posted by jra, a member of ATS Post ID 3042528

Originally posted by zorgon
"Alright then If as you say all the images are indeed available, please be so kind as to point me to the complete set of Lunar Orbiter photos..."

I was referring to all the images from those Apollo cameras. The Lunar Orbiter images are something else entirely. But here's one of the better sites I've found for Lunar Orbiter images. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunar_orbiter/

"And its the high resolution ones that I want, the ones the company who made the cameras says are good enough to make out a card table on the surface."

For the Lunar Orbiter images? As far as I know, the highest was a resolution of 2m in selected areas. I'm not sure if those images are on that site I linked to or not. Lunar Orbiter images seem to be harder to find. Probably due to not being as popular as the Apollo stuff.

"And were are the high res .tiffs of the Apollo images? I am sure they are all available as you say, but I have yet to find them. Even AS16-121-19407 at the Apollo Journal sight is only available by order and then they will scan it from a print for you..."

As for .tiff images. I don't think they ever saved them in that format. And I never said they were available in that format either. I just said that all the images themselves are available.

The sites I use mostly are,

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/frame.html
http://www.apolloarchive.com/
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/

And then there's this site. http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ [Now removed] it's really not the easiest site to use. It's quite a confusing pain the in the ass to be honest. But I found your Apollo 16 image here: and then you can request for a higher res one and it gives you some options as to how you want to get it. Here's the direct link, it's fairly large (about 1mb). ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_AS16_AS16-121-19407.JPG [Now removed] 

Better sites? Hmmmm. I have THAT one... compare their version of LO_III_162 with that John provided at the start of this thread.. You will see MANY differences and an overall quality difference. Seems certain anomalies are no longer in the LPI image collection....

"For the Lunar Orbiter images? As far as I know, the highest was a resolution of 2m in selected areas. I'm not sure if those images are on that site I linked to or not. Lunar Orbiter images seem to be harder to find. Probably due to not being as popular as the Apollo stuff."

No they are NOT on that site...
No they are as popular, but they do not have them because the high resolution images were taken for the Department of Defense, not for Astronomers... It is why if you find copies in print BEFORE 1971 you will find anomalies.

As far as the resolution  here is a quote from the Defense contractor ITT who made the cameras..

On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table.  At the same time, medium-resolution photographs covering 20,000 square miles could be made with overlap for stereo viewing and analysis of surface topography. 

Notice for those who care the following link is a secure link to a Defense Contractor so if you worry about being tracked.... you WILL be!  http://www.ssd.itt.com/heritage/orbiter.shtml

"As for .tiff images. I don't think they ever saved them in that format. And I never said they were available in that format either. I just said that all the images themselves are available."

I do not believe you said they were, however I KNOW they do have them as I have several of them... and one they even posted was the one with the "rolling rocks" The .tiffs are available to scientists and someone in the thread some time back posted a link to a different file format were some were available I will have to look it up... And I have those sites and many more... I will add a full list of image resources to my site in the next few days {There are a LOT to sort through}

Interesting enough, the site you linked to has several .tiff files in that collection starting at 100 meg to one that is 206 megs... To bad they are of Earth though. Now THAT'S the size I am talking about!

"Here's the direct link, it's fairly large (about 1mb)"

I meg is small 30 meg .tiff is usually what I call high resolution
Thank you for finding that one... Its amazing how washed out it is considering its high res...

Here are two of the High res tiffs from the site JRA linked to  the first one is 50 megs and is a poster size image of the first footprint... so close you can see the ant...

ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_AS11_AS11-40-5877.TIF [Now removed] 

The second one is extremely interesting  it shows a beautiful full color high res image of the Earth just above the lunar horizon... Only problem is that the moon is in real grainy fuzzy black and white...  52 megs

Oy! But hey they would make GREAT wall posters...

ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_AS11_AS11-44-6552.TIF [Now removed] 

So I guess these are a collection of NASA created publicity shots

Originally posted by zorgon
"I think I will do a page with collections of the different sizes. It would be great evidence of image tampering"

If you're going to do that, you might as well take a closer look at the Earth/moon shot that you posted a link to:
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_AS11_AS11-44-6552.TIF

Zoom in on the right side of the moon. It looks like a grayscale version of the moon was overlayed on top of a color version of the moon. 

Yesterday I was having problems downloading that image of the Earth seen from the Moon, so I thought I would download it today.

Today, the link does not work because the image is not there, unless I am doing something wrong.

Can anybody please see if the image is there?

This is what I see now, 2007-03-21 14:11 PM here in Portugal.

The photo reappeared, only in a JPG version and with the Moon in colour.

You can see the "new" version ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_AS11_AS11-44-6552.JPG here

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