PROJECT AQUARIUS
The Ice Documents Press Conference
June 25, 1987
The Ice Documents Press Conference
National Press Club 
Washington, D.C.

Presented by:
Mr. Dale Goudie and Mr. Christian Lambright
June 25, 1987

NOTE: The following is the text of the press conference prepared and presented by Mr. Dale Goudie and Mr. Christian Lambright, including referenced documents and related articles as attachments. 

Readers should keep in mind that the following information bears no connection, association or relationship whatever to the unverified "MJ-12" documents. 

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June 25, 1987
Washington, D.C. 
Press Conference, National Press Club 
Opening Statements on Project Aquarius and Incidents at Kirtland AFB

We came to Washington, D.C. on a direct challenge that had been made on a National Television Network as to the authenticity of newly released information by the National Security Agency (NSA) concerning Project Aquarius; and other documents released via Freedom of Information Act requests which would indicate that a Project Aquarius truly exists. 

The reason we made a point of this is because the American People were told on a National Television Network that these projects never did exist.  The public was told this based on a single request to the United Stated Air Force regarding these projects and the Air Force's subsequent denial of their existence.

What initially brought our attention to Project Aquarius was from a 17 Nov 1980 Telex for AFOSI only, Attachment A, basically stating that a Project Aquarius existed.  This document also revealed that several other government agencies, led by NASA, actively investigates legitimate sightings through covert cover.  The document goes on to say, "the official US Government policy and results of Project Aquarius is still classified Top Secret with no dissemination outside of official intelligence channels and with restricted access to MJ Twelve."

Five years later our attention was drawn, through a request to the National Security Agency (NSA), to the fact that Project Aquarius was found to be genuine.  This document is dated 3 March 1986, serial #: J9014B, attachment B, and which states in part "Please be advised that Project Aquarius does not deal with unidentified aerial objects."  We refer to this document as the "Ice Document" because this is the document that broke the ice for the first time acknowledging that a Project Aquarius does exist.

The next document we received from the National Security Agency is dated 15 April 1986, Serial #: J9014C, attachment C, and which states "Project Aquarius is classified Top Secret."  The document goes on to say "This document is classified because its disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security."  These two newly released documents were put on CUFON a year ago, at the end of April 1986.  CUFON stands for Computer UFO Network, which is a free international telecommunications system for factual information concerning only the subject matter of unidentified flying objects. 

The next document that came to our attention and which we found very important, is a document from  the National Security Agency (NSA) dated 27 January 1987, Serial #: Q4-072-87, attachment D, and it is to the Honorable John Glenn, United States Senate and which states in part the subject of paragraph 4, "Project Aquarius , has been the subject of numerous FOIA requests.  Apparently there is or was an Air Force Project by that name which dealt with UFO's.  Consequently, there is also an NSA National Security Agency project by that name.  The NSA  project does not deal with UFO's."  from these documents alone, obviously we are not being told the truth.  And for the first time we recognize that Project Aquarius  does deal with UFO's.  And remember, the Telex for AFOSI only was dated November 17, 1980. 

The next document that you will see is the one that focused our attention on the serious realty that UAO's (Unidentified Aerial Objects) sometimes  referred to as UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects) are landing on top strategic military installations.  This document is dated 2-9 September 1980 from AFOSI Det, Kirtland AFB, NM., see attachment E.  Source and evaluation Major Ernest E. Edwards.  This incident took place at Kirtland Air Force Base on the 8th of August, 1980.  Three security police assigned to 1608 SPS, KAFB, NM, on duty inside the Manzano weapons storage area sighted an unidentified light in the air that traveled from north to south over the Coyote Canyon area of the Department of Defence Restricted Test Range on KAFB, NM.  Please remember that this unidentified light was sighted at 11:50 p.m. on the 8th of August. 

30 minutes later on August 9th, another sighting took place.  At approximately 0020 hours, (12:20 a.m.) a guardsman was driving east on the Coyote Canyon access road on a building check of an alarmed structure.  As he approached the structure he observed a bright light near the ground behind the structure.  He also observed an object he first thought was a helicopter.  But after driving closer he observed a "round disk-shaped object."  He attempted to radio for a backup patrol but his radio would not work.

As he approached the disk-shaped object on foot armed with a shotgun the disk-shaped object took off on a vertical direction at a high rate of speed.  The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the U.S. Army and "stated the disk-shaped object he observed was not a helicopter." 

On 8 September, 1980 it was learned from Sandia Security that another security guard observed the object land near the alarmed structure during the first week of August, but did not report it until later for fear of harassment.  The two alarmed structures located within the area contained HQ CR 44 material.  The following evening, August 10th, 1980, a New Mexico State Patrolman sighted an aerial object land in the Manzanos between Belen and Albuquerque, in NM.  The patrolman reported the sighting to Kirtland Air Force Base Command Post, who later referred the patrolman to the AFOSI Dist. 17.  AFOSI Dist. 17 advised the patrolman to make a report through his own agency.  On the 11th of August, 1980 the Kirtland Information Office advised the patrolman that the United Stated Air Force no longer investigates such sightings unless they occur on a United States
Air Force Base. 

On the 13th of August, 1980 a maintenance officer for Kirtland Air Force Base reported that RADAR approach control equipment and scanner RADAR were inoperative due to high frequency jamming from an unknown cause "which was later determined to be of possible hostile frequency jamming."  Total blackout of the entire RADAR approach systems to include "Albuquerque Airport which is a civilian airport "and was in effect between 1630-2215 hours, which in civilian time is 4:30 p.m. to 10:15 p.m., a total time of 5 hours and 45 minutes.  This would mean that all RADARs were out, "civilian and military for that time period."  Also, RADAR approach control back-up systems were inoperative.

On the same day Defence Nuclear Agency Radio frequency monitors determined by vector analysis that the interference was being sent from an area (V-90 degrees or due east).  On DAF map coordinates E-28.6.  The area was located northwest of "Coyote Canyon Test Range."  It was later determined that no land-based agency could disclose any information that could have caused such interference.

At 2216 hours, (10:16 p.m.), all RADAR equipment returned to normal operation without further incident.  The conclusions to the whole incident were that the possibility of hostile intelligence jamming could not be ruled out, but at the same time, it was not concluded that the reported landings and sightings of these aerial objects held any significance to the possible hostile jamming.

It should be obvious to anyone who takes the time to read the material that is available today concerning these incidents at Kirtland Air Force Base that landings did take place of Unauthorized Aerial Objects, (UAO's), that were not part of any government agency or any military agency of the United States of America.  It should also be obvious that, taking all these documents and this incident into consideration, there is a cover-up by certain agencies of the United States Government concerning these Unauthorized Aerial Objects, (UAO's), commonly referred to as UFO's, Unidentified Flying Objects. 

It is our contention that the people of the United States have a right to know. If, as stated, these UFO's pose no threat, then why are we denied information concerning the investigations by these agencies  doing the research and investigations, which is ongoing today.  Since these objects are real, as documentation has proven, according to our own military sources, and remember that a great deal of  documentation is from police officers, doctors, trained observers, and scientists.  It is long past the time when we should be treated as first-class citizens and given the information that will enable intelligent people to understand what is happening in our own skies.  One should also note here that these are not isolated incidents.  For instance, in 1980, we have knowledge that a landing of an aerial object took place at Bentwaters, an American Air Force Base in England, where security soldiers have come forward and testified as to the authenticity of this landing, and went so far as to say that they were threatened if they were to reveal this information. 

Also in 1980, two women, Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum, ages 51 and 57, and a small boy by the name of Colby Landrum, age 7, referred to as the Cash-Landrum Case and which took place in Texas.  The women and the child witnessed an Unauthorized Aerial Object, (UAO), or referred to as UFO, was being pursued by 20 military helicopters.  Subsequently, the witnesses were badly burned by some type of radiation and are suffering from those effects to this day.  Some of the effects were 50% loss of hair, sores that would not heal, and last but not least, "cancer." 

Again, in 1975, a landing took place of an Unauthorized Aerial Object, (UAO), on two different nights at Loring Air Force Base.  We were told that these were nothing more than mysterious helicopters landing on a Top Strategic Air Command Base, we were also told that 106 jets were scrambled out to pursue these Unauthorized Aerial Objects.  The jets could not overtake these objects.  One must note here that these were RADAR-visual sightings, in other words, visually seeing the objects and picking them up on RADAR at the same time. These mysterious Unauthorized Aerial Objects, (UAO's), also hovered over missile silos and were visually seen once again and RADAR confirmed. 

These unauthorized aerial objects UAO's were pursued for well over a two-week period and were chased half way across the United States and lower Canada, please note this case is on Air Force documents.

We think, we have demonstrated here today that certain government agencies and certain military agencies have been, and still are, in the Unidentified Flying Objects UFO business, or as we UFO Information Services, call them "Unauthorized Aerial Objects UAO's.

There are many moral issues here as well as technical issues.  Many Americans have lost their credibility by standing up in the first place, as an honest American, and reporting their close range sightings.  Also, there are military officers who have come forth with their sighting information and have been passed over, or had to retire, or forced to resign as a result of relating their sighting or sightings.  It would seem that it is time that some people in the government must stand up and start being responsible for what they have been elected to do and that is, first and foremost, to tell the truth.  "How does a free society base good and honest decisions on incorrect and/or no information.  That does not work in a democracy." 

What we are also trying to achieve here today is to have responsible senators and congressmen approve "Congressional Hearings" in this matter and to subpoena certain members of the military and agencies mentioned in some of these documents to come forward and testify as to these landings on or near military installations.

Please see attachment F, which shows that we documented some of this material May 8, 1987 in the Seattle Times relating to Project Aquarius.  We also documented some of this same material concerning Project Aquarius on the Larry King Show on CNN on May 14, 1987 where the challenge to the authenticity of Project Aquarius and the military involvement was first made. 

June 25, 1987 
Washington, D.C. 
Press Conference, National Press Club 
Closing Statements on Project Aquarius and Incidents at Kirtland AFB

It was in June of 1985 that we first became completely aware of the significance of the 1980 incidents at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.  While we had heard mention of these incidents prior to this time it was not until we obtained copies of the documents maintained by AFOSI that we began to focus out attention and efforts on uncovering what facts we could relating to what are referred to as the "Kirtland incidents".  However, while the AFOSI documents and their relation to Project Aquarius is the principal topic of discussion it should be pointed out that the events described in the original Complaint Form filed by Special Agent Richard Doty were not the only incidents to have taken place near Kirtland Air Force Base.

One of the difficulties with information or documents obtained through FOIA is that these items do not come with instructions on how to interpret them.  In going over documents which we have been able to obtain it has proven to be a necessary habit to go over each one many times.  As a result we have found that quite often seemingly insignificant details can take on new meaning, and this, along with the slow process of gathering information via FOIA requests, has provided most of the substantiation for the validity of the documents and the topic of this conference.

Given that the original Complaint Form detailing the incidents near Kirtland AFB is a genuine document and that this form bears a notation indicating threats directed towards nuclear resources, why is there no documentation indicating any investigation or intelligence report on these events?  When security personnel report such threats and their reports are seemingly ignored by the principal headquarters in Washington then serious questions need to be raised concerning our national defense and security.  Department of Defense regulations cited in HQ CR 44 specifically direct responsible commanders to actively investigate such threats, however, we are left to believe that in this instance no one did anything.  Richard Doty has stated that he submitted a much more complete follow-up report but AFOSI headquarters claims they never received it. 

Shortly after receiving the AFOSI documents we obtained a copy of what is commonly referred to as the "Aquarius document" or "NASA telex".  This is the allegedly genuine document which outlines the analysis of several photographic images of unidentified aerial objects as well as 8mm motion picture film footage, while this document also details several specific revelations about purported Air Force and NASA activities it becomes related to the Kirtland incidents specifically because of the mention of the name Bennewitz.  What has become the most significant aspect of this allegedly genuine document is the indication that a project Aquarius exists which in some way relates to the subject of UFOs.  The existence of a project Aquarius has since been proven. Since this document surfaced, to our knowledge no one has obtained a clear admission that this document, as it is, is in fact genuine.  But for obvious reasons this should come as no surprise.  As no one in any of the military or government agencies we have contacted seemed willing or able to verify this.  We spent the next year learning as much as we could about all the various names, abbreviations, and references involved in it.  The items which we found to be the most revealing were the references to the 7602 AINTELG, HQ CR 44, S/WNINTEL, Project Aquarius, and NASA.  It was while trying to obtain information on the 7602 AINTELG that we first became aware of possible involvement by the National Security Agency.  Though we did learn that the 7602 AINTELG (now the Air Force Special Activities Center) is a part of the Air Force Intelligence Service we were having some
difficulty obtaining satisfactory responses to our FOIA requests.  It was during this time period in a conversation with a knowledgeable acquaintance that we were told the 7602 AINTELG was a "branch of the NSA"!

Partially as a result of this revelation we than addressed our first letter to the NSA requesting information on four items including any and all information on Project Aquarius.  Subsequently, and after several letters, we were informed that NSA does have a project named Aquarius, that it is classified Top Secret, and that no information on it would be released to us.  In the months after this, and in the process of searching for the original source of this document, we happened upon what we feel was a significant discovery.  We have been told that the commonly circulated copy of this document contains two changes from the original.  One of these changes as well as why these changes were made we do no know.  However, the second change as it was told to us is that the reference to NASA originally reads "NSA".  Based on our experiences we believe this is true.  Inasmuch as we were told that 7602 AINTELG is affiliated with NSA, that NSA is named in the original version of this document, and that NSA has admitted to having a project entitled Aquarius, we believe it would be reasonable to conclude that NSA is involved. 

Recently, in response to a letter from Senator John Glenn, seems to have revealed that the Air Force has or had a project Aquarius which does deal with UFOs.  Whether this a simple finger pointing or not we are still trying to find out, however, at this point we strongly believe that based on the available evidence any reasonable person would have to conclude that there are serious questions here which need to be answered.  There is more than enough evidence to prove that truly unidentified objects, such as those reported in the Kirtland incidents, do exist and it is well past the time that the responsible parties in the government and military were called upon to answer for having kept this truth from the American public. 

Documents and Articles Attached:

Statement Made By Howard E. Goldfluss, OMNI June, 1987 

A. FOR AFOSI ONLY TELEX

B. NSA CHADWICK LETTER J9014B

C. NSA WETZEL LETTER J9014C

D. NSA LETTER TO JOHN GLENN BY WETZEL Q4-072-87

E. KIRTLAND AFB - ALLEGED SIGHTINGS OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL LIGHTS POSSIBLE HOSTILE INTELLIGENCE INTERCEPT INCIDENT

F. Seattle Times article, May 8, 1987 

Weekend Australian article, June 27 - 28, 1987

USA TODAY article, June 28, 1987

Press conference background and D. Goudie letter to P. Klass


Statement Made By Howard E. Goldfluss,  Acting Justice, Supreme Court, State of New York, 
Source: OMNI June 1987

I was as skeptical as the next fellow about unidentified flying objects.  My legal training required evidence to prove the existence of UFOs.  None was forthcoming, except for the typical tabloid headlines (I was sexually assaulted by a Martian) found at supermarket checkout counters.  But what was laughable has now become serious.  Solid evidence does exist to erase the skepticism.  Before this evidence emerged, I believed the Air Force, the Central Intelligence Agency, and every other government agency that insisted UFOs were a myth.  I would have continued to accept this government pronouncement forever had it not been for the passage of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).  Congress enacted this law because it felt that the government as keeping too many facts from public inspection.  This concern was certainly justified.  Thanks to the FOIA, we now know that Uncle Sam has been sitting on evidence that UFOs do exist and that very substantial people have seen them. The most revealing information is found in Air Intelligence Division Study (A.I.D.S.) 203.  Following are some of the references found within: 

  • White Sands, New Mexico, June 29, 1947.  Three scientists sighted a large, wingless disc or sphere moving horizontally. 
  • Portland, Oregon, July 7, 1947.  Five police officers sighted a varying number of similar discs flying over different sections of the city.
  • Andrews Field, Maryland, November 18, 1948.  Reserve pilots Lieutenant Kenwood Jackson, Lieutenant Glen Stalker, and Lieutenant Henry Combs encountered a lighted UFO circling at 17,000 feet.  They described the object as an oblong ball with one light, no wings, and no exhaust flame.
If I could still doubt the sanity or sobriety of the observers already mentioned, an inspection of Air Intelligence Report 1R-193-55, dated October 15, 1955, would have to be the convincer.  The report was compiled after interviews with Senator Richard Russell of Georgia, then chairman of the Armed Forces Committee of the Senate; Lieutenant Colonel E. V. Hathaway, a  staff officer assigned to the committee; and Reuben Efron, a committee consultant.  On October 4, 1955, at 7:10 P.M., after departing by train from the USSR, all three observed two flying discs taking off almost vertically--one minute apart. 

What we ultimately seek in the courts is the truth.  If even a portion of the facts is suppressed, the truth will not emerge.  How could I or any judge reach a proper decision on the issue of UFOs when the testimony of responsible and credible witnesses has never been heard? 

We have now heard the other side of the case.  We had been led to believe that only charlatans, drunks, fools, or psychopaths observed the phenomenon.  We now know that many of those witnesses were responsible, credible, and respected people, most of whom were technologically trained.  We now have reason to consider the subject to UFO; in light of strong evidence heretofore suppressed.

     HOWARD E. GOLDFLUSS, 
     Acting Justice, 
     Supreme Court, State of New York, 
     and author of the book "The Judgement" 


A. FOR AFOSI ONLY TELEX
...
SECRET

17 NOV 1980

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GT
SECRET      FOR AFOSI ONLY
R 171130Z NOV 80
FM HQ AFOSI BOLLING AFB DC//IVOE
TO RUWTFBA AFOSI DIST 17 KIRTLAND AFB NM//BID
INFO 7602 AINTELG FT BELVOIR VA//INSR
SECRET       FOR AFOSI ONLY
Ref:  REQUEST FOR PHOTO IMAGERY INTERPRETATION YOUR MSG 292030Z OCT 80.
SUBJECT CASE NR:  8017D93-126 HQ CR 44
1.  SUBJECT NEGATIVES/FILM WERE ANALYZED BY HQ IVT AND 7602 AINTELG, IT AND THE FOLLOWING RESULTS WERE FOUND:

A.  NEGATIVE #1:  DEPLICTING C-5A AIRCRAFT ON APPROACH AND STREAKING 
UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECT IN LOWER RIGHT PORTION OF FILM.  FILM FOUND TO BE UNALTERED.  SIZE DIFFERENTIAL WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH SIZE OF AIRCRAFT. 
CONCLUSION: INCONCLUSIVE 

B.  NEGATIVE #2:  DEPLICTING CYLINDER SHAPED UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECT IN UPPER LEFT PORTION OF PHOTO.  FILM FOUND TO BE UNALTERED.  FILM SHOWED OBJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH FIELD DEPTH AND CONSISTENT WITH RELATIVE SIZE OF FIXED OBJECTS.  CONCLUSION:  LEGITIMATE NEGATIVE OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECT. BOLTON/REINFELD METHOD DID NOT REVEAL VISIBLE MARKINGS ON OBJECT. 

C.  NEGATIVE #3:  DEPLICTING IRREGULAR SHAPED UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECT IN SEVEN FRAMES OF 8MM FILM.  BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND APPARENT SPEED OF OBJECT NO FURTHER CLASSIFICATION OR CONCLUSION COULD BE DRAWN.  FILM SHOWN TO BE UNALTERED. 

D.  34 INCHES OF 8MM FILM:  DEPLICTING APPARENT COLORED OBJECT MOVING IN FRONT OF STILL CAMERA.  FILM FOUND TO BE UNALTERED.  SPECTROGRAPHY REVEALED COLORS TO BE BASIC PRISM FEATURES.  DEPTH ANALYSIS REVEALED OBJECT TO BE WITHIN 152MM OF CAMERA.  OBJECT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH RELATIVE SIZE OF FIXED OBJECTS OBSERVED FOR SEVERAL SECONDS IN FILM.  CONCLUSION: 
INCONCLUSIVE. 

E.  ORIGINAL NEGATIVE DEPLICTING UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT:  FILM FOUND TO BE 
UNALTERED. BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FIXED OBJECTS IN THE FILM, NO DEPTH ANALYSIS COULD BE PERFORMED. BOLTON, REINFELD METHOD REVEALED OBJECT TO BE SAUCER SHAPED, APPROXIMATE DIAMETER 37 FEET. OBJECT CONTAINED A TRILATERAL INSIGNIA ON THE LOWER PORTION OF OBJECT. CONCLUSION: LEGITIMATE NEGATIVE OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECT. 
2.  REF YOUR REQUEST FOR FURTHER INFORMATION REGARDING HQ CR 44, THE 
FOLLOWING IS PROVIDED:  CAPT. GRACE 7602 AINTELG, INS CONTACTED AND RELATED FOLLOWING: (S/WINTEL) USAF NO LONGER PUBLICLY ACTIVE IN UFO RESEARCH, HOWEVER USAF STILL HAS INTEREST IN ALL UFO SIGHTINGS OVER USAF INSTALLATION/TEST RANGES.  SEVERAL OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, LEAD BY NASA, ACTIVELY INVESTIGATES LEGITIMATE SIGHTINGS THROUGH COVERT COVER.  (S/WINTEL/FSA)  ONE SUCH COVER IS UFO REPORTING CENTER, US COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY, ROCKVILLE, MD 20852.  NASA FILTERS RESULTS OF SIGHTINGS TO APPROPRIATE MILITARY DEPARTMENTS WITH INTEREST IN THAT PARTICULAR SIGHTING.  THE OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT POLICY AND RESULTS OF PROJECT AQUARIUS IS STILL CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET WITH NO DISSEMINATION OUTSIDE OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE CHANNELS AND WITH RESTRICTED ACCESS TO "MJ TWELVE".  CASE ON BENNEWITZ IS BEING MONITORED BY NASA, INS, WHO REQUEST ALL FUTURE EVIDENCE BE FORWARDED TO THEM THRU AFOSI, IVOE. 
4.  REF YOUR REQUEST FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.  BECAUSE OF A CHANCE OF PUBLIC DISCLOSURE, NO KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSONNEL WITH SPA WILL BE PROVIDED. 

CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE FROM INDIVIDUALS MENTIONED IN YOUR MESSAGE, MILLER, FUGATE. BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF CASE, REQUEST THEY BE THOROUGHLY DEBRIEFED AT REGULAR INTERVALS. 

TS NNNS DOWNGRADE 17NOV2020 


B. NSA CHADWICK LETTER J9014B
...
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
CENTRAL SECURITY SERVICE
Fort George G. Meade, Maryland 20755-6000

Serial:  J9014B

02 MAR 1986

          This is in response to your letter of 20 February 1986 in which you stated that, regarding your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for information on Project Aquarius, you are interested in Aquarius as it pertains to unidentified aerial objects.  Please be advised that Project Aquarius does not deal with unidentified aerial objects.  We, therefore, have no information to provide to you on the subject.

          In your letter you also ask for information on Projects Sigma and Snowbird.  The FOIA provides that a person has a right of access to federal agency records, except to the extent that such records are protected from disclosure by one of nine exemptions.  It does not require that an agency answer questions.  As I mentioned in my letter of 20 February, Sigma and Snowbird are not NSA projects; therefore, have no information to give you on these topics.

          Since you indicate in your letter that you will not be paying the $15,000.00 fee to search for records pertaining to Aquarius, this response completes our action on your request.

Sincerely
(signed)
DENNIS C. CHADWICK
Chief Information Policy


 

C. NSA WETZEL LETTER J9014C
...
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
CENTRAL SECURITY SERVICE
Fort George G. Meade, Maryland 20755-6000

Serial:  J9014C

15 APR 1986

         This responds to your letter of 7 March 1986 in which you further narrowed your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for records pertaining to Project Aquarius.

         The document located in response to your request as stated in your 7 March letter has been reviewed by this Agency as  required by the FOIA and has been found to be currently and properly classified in accordance with Executive Order 12356. This document meets the criteria for classification as set forth in subparagraphs 2, 4, and 8 of section 1.3 and remains  classified TOP SECRET as provided in section 1.1 of Executive  Order 12356.  The document is classified because its disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.  Because the document is currently and properly classified, it is exempt from disclosure pursuant to the first exemption of the FOIA (5 U.S.C. section 552(b) (1)).

         In addition, this Agency is authorized by various statues to protect certain information concerning its activities.  We have determined that such information exists in this document. Accordingly, those portions are also exempt from disclosure pursuant to the third exemption of the FOIA which provides for the withholding of information specifically protected from disclosure by statute.  The specific statutes applicable in this case are Title 18 U.S. Code 798; Title 50 U.S. Code 403(d) (3); and Section 6, Public Law 86-36 (50 U.S. Code 402 "note").

        No portion of the information is reasonably segregable.

         Since your request has been denied, you are hereby advised of this Agency's appeal procedures.

         Any person denied access to information may, within 45 days after notification of the denial, file an appeal to the NSA/CSS Freedom of Information Act Appeal Authority.  The appeal shall be in writing addressed to the NSA/CSS FOIA Appeal Authority, National Security Agency, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000.  The appeal shall reference the initial denial of access and shall contain, in sufficient detail and particularity, the grounds upon which the requester believes release of the information is required.  The NSA/CSS Appeal Authority shall respond to the appeal within 20 working days after receipt.

         In your letter, you take exception to the amount requested by this Agency for manpower and computer search fees to process your original request for all information on Project Aquarius.  Please be advised that NSA search and duplication fees are computed in accordance with guidance promulgated in sections 6-201 and 6-202 of Dod Directive 5400.7-R

Sincerely,
/s/ JULIA B. WETZEL
Director of Policy


D. NSA LETTER TO JOHN GLENN BY WETZEL Q4-072-87
...
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
CENTRAL SECURITY SERVICE
Fort George G. Meade. Maryland 20755 - 6000

Serial: Q4-072-87

27 January 1987

The Honorable John Glenn 
United States Senate
ATTN: Mr. Mark Frondorf
SH-503 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

     Dear Senator Glenn: 

           This responds to your letter of 7 January 1987 on behalf of your constituent, Mr. Clifford E. Stone ( Enclosure 1 ).

           The National Security Agency (NSA) has received numerous Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests for information pertaining to UFO incidents.  Our records show that Mr. Stone has submitted six such requests over the past 7 years.  One of those requests was for the information mentioned in paragraph 2 of his letter to you, the UFO incident at RAF Woodbridge Base.  In our 1 February 1984 response to Mr. Stone ( Enclosure 2 ), we notified him that the estimated manpower and computer search costs involved in locating records responsive to his requests were $250.00.  We advised him that, upon receipt of half that amount, a search would be made.  Mr. Stone did not respond to our letter.

          Regarding the information in paragraph 1 of Mr. Stone's letter, we have no record of receiving an FOIA requests for documents dealing with a UFO destruction of a Cuban MiG-23.

          Paragraph 3 of his letter ask for NSA analysis of the document he attached.  It appears to be an Air Force document.  The project names which are referenced, Sigma and Snowbird, are not NSA projects.  We have no knowledge of the information contained in the document.

         The subject of paragraph 4, project Aquarius, has been the subject of numerous FOIA requests.  Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name which dealt with UFO's.  Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name.  The NSA project does not deal with UFO's.  We believe that the confusion on this issue results from an FOIA requests submitted by another person with interest in UFOs, Mr. Christian Lambright.

(page 2)
                                                      Serial: Q4-072-87

           Mr. Lambright requested all information on the NSA project Aquarius, apparently believing that the project pertain to UFOs. We advised Mr. Lambright that our project does not deal with UFOs.  He then requested records revealing the "goal" of Aquarius, and we withheld the document because it is classified.  We have reason to believe that our final response to Mr. Lambright, denying him access  to the records, has been disseminated within a circle of those interested in UFOs and that subsequently a misunderstanding has developed regarding NSA, Aquarius and UFOs.

          In responding to general FOIA requests for UFO information, certain documents have been withheld from the public pursuant to the first and third exemptions of the FOIA. The first exemption provides for the protection of information which is currently and properly classified in accordance with the provisions of Executive Order 12356.  The third exemption protects information from disclosure by statute.  The statutes applicable in this case are 50 U.S.C. 402 note ( Public Law 86-36, Section 6), 50 U.S.C. 403(d) (3) and 18 U.S.C. 798.  This Agency's decision to protect those  records has been upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of  Columbia. 

          We hope that the information being provided to you will be of help to Mr. Stone.

Sincerely,
(signed)
JULIA B. WETZEL
Director Of Policy 


E. KIRTLAND AFB - ALLEGED SIGHTINGS OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL LIGHTS POSSIBLE HOSTILE INTELLIGENCE INTERCEPT INCIDENT
...
SECRET
COMPLAINT FORM
ADMINISTRATIVE DATA

TITLE                                  DATE       TIME
                                        -------------- ------
KIRTLAND AFB, NM, 8 Aug-3 Sep 80   2 - 9 Sept 80  1200
Alleged Sightings of Unidentified
Aerial Lights in Restricted Test Range. PLACE 

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                         AFOSI Det 1700, Kirtland AFB, NM
                              HOW RECEIVED
                         Yes in person
                         SOURCE OF EVALUATION
                         Major Ernest E. Edwards
                         RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS ADDRESS PHONE
                         Commander, 1608 SPS, Manzano
                         Kirtland AFB, NM             4-7516
                         CR 44 APPLIES
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                                SUMMARY OF INFORMATION

1.  On 2 Sept 80, SOURCE related on 8 Aug 80, three Security Policemen  assigned to 1608 SPS, KAFB, NM, on duty inside the Manzano Weapons Storage  Area sighted an unidentified light in the air that traveled from North to  South over the Coyote Canyon area of the Department of Defense Restricted  Test Range on KAFB, NM.  The Security Policemen identified as: SSGT STEPHEN  FERENZ, Area Supervisor, ATC MARTIN W. RIST and AMN ANTHONY D. FRAZIER, were  later interviewed separately by SOURCE and all three related the same statement; at approximately 2350 hrs., while on duty in Charlie Sector, East  Side of Manzano, the three observed a very bright light in the sky approximately 3 miles North-North East of their position. The light traveled with great speed and stopped suddenly in the sky over Coyote Canyon.  The three first thought the object was a helicopter, however, after observing the strange aerial maneuvers (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills.  The light landed in the Coyote Canyon area.  Sometime later, three witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high speed and disappear. 

2.  Central Security Control (CSC) inside Manzano, contacted Sandia Security, who conducts frequent building checks on two alarmed structures in area.  They advised that a patrol was already in the area and would investigate. 

3.  On 11 Aug 80, RUSS CURTIS, Sandia Security, advised that on 9 Aug 80, a Sandia Security Guard, (who wishes his name not be divulged for fear of harassment), related the following: At approximately 0020 hrs., he was driving east on the Coyote Canyon access road on a routine building check of an alarmed structure.  As he approached the structure he observed a bright light near the ground behind the structure.  He also observed an object he first thought was a helicopter.  But after driving closer, he observed a round disk shaped object.  He attempted to radio for back up patrol but his radio would not work.  As he approached the object on foot armed with a shotgun, the object took off in a vertical direction at a high rate of speed.  The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the U.S. Army and stated the object he observed was not a helicopter. 

4.  SOURCE advised on 22 Aug 80, three other security policemen observed the same 

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DATE FORWARDED HQ AFOSI
  10 Aug 80                                                  AFOSI FORM
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DATE       TYPE OR PRINTED NAME OF SPECIAL AGENT 
Sept 80      Richard C Doty, SA      /s/ Richard C. Doty 
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DISTRICT FILE NO    8017D93-0/29

CONTINUED FROM COMPLAINT FORM 1, DTD 9 Sept 80 

aerial phenomena described by the first three.  Again the object landed in Coyote Canyon.  They did not see the object take off. 

5.  Coyote Canyon is part of a large restricted test range used by the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, Sandia Laboratories, Defense Nuclear Agency and the Department of Energy.  The range was formerly patrolled by Sandia Security, however, they only conduct building checks there now. 

6.  On 10 Aug 80, a New Mexico State Patrolman sighted an aerial object land in the Manzano's between Belen and Albuquerque, NM.  The Patrolman reported the sighting to the Kirtland AFB Command Post, who later referred the patrolman to the AFOSI Dist 17.  AFOSI Dist 17 advised the patrolman to make a report through his own agency.  On 11 Aug 80, the Kirtland Public Information office advised the patrolman the USAF no longer investigates such sighting unless they occur on a USAF base. 

7.  WRITER contacted all the agencies who utilized the test range and it was learned no aerial tests are conducted in the Coyote Canyon area. Only ground tests are conducted. 

8.  On 8 Sept 80, WRITER learned from Sandia Security that another Security guard observed a object land near an alarmed structure sometime during the first week of August, but did not report it until just recently for fear of harassment.

9.  The two alarmed structures located within the area contain HQ CR 44 material.

SECRET
COMPLAINT FORM 
ADMINISTRATIVE DATA 

                                                    DATE            TIME 
                                                14 Aug 80          0730

KIRTLAND AFB, NM 13 Aug 80, Possible 
Hostile Intelligence Intercept Incident,           PLACE 
Frequency Jamming.                              AFOSI District 17, BID, 
                                                KIRTLAND AFB, NM 

                                                SOURCE AND EVALUATION 
                                                1960th Communication Officer
                                                RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS ADDRESS
                                                1960 COMMSq KAFB, NM 

                                                     PHONE 
                                                     4-5098 
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REMARKS                    SUMMARY OF INFORMATION 

1.  On 13 Aug 80, 1960 COMMSq Maintenance Officer reported RADAR Approach Control equipment and scanner radar inoperative due to high frequency jamming from an unknown cause.  Total blackout of entire RADAR approach system to include Albuquerque Airport was in effect between 1630-2215 hrs. radar Approach Control back up system also were inoperative. 

2.  On 13 Aug 80, Defense Nuclear Agency Radio Frequency Monitors determined, by vector analysis, the interference was being sent from an area (V-90 degrees or due East).  On DAF map coordinates E-28.6.  The area was located NW of Coyote Canyon Test area.  It was first thought that Sandia Laboratory, which utilizes the test range was responsible. However, after a careful check, it was later determined that no tests were being conducted in the canyon area.  Department of Energy, Air Force Weapons Laboratory and DNA were contacted but assured that their agencies were not responsible.

3.  On 13 Aug 80, Base Security Police conducted a physical check of the area but because of the mountainous terrain, a thorough check could not be completed at that time.  A later foot search failed to disclose anything that could have caused the interference.

4.  On 13 Aug 80, at 2216 hrs., all RADAR equipment returned to normal operation without further incident. 

5.  CONCLUSION: The presence of hostile intelligence jamming cannot be ruled out.  Although no evidence would suggest this, the method has been used in the past.  Communication maintenance specialists cannot explain how such interference could cause the radar equipment to become totally inoperative.  Neither could they suggest the type or range of the interference signal.  DNA frequency monitors reported the interference beam was wide spread and a type unknown to their electronical equipment.  Further checks of the area was being conducted by Technical Services, AFOSI. 

6.  High command interest item.  Briefings requested IAW AFOSIR 124-4 be completed at HQ AFOSI/IVOE.  HQ CR 44 and 51 items. 


F. Seattle Times article, May 8, 1987 
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From Seattle Times, May 8, 1987 

60,000 Sightings Can't Be Wrong, Seattleite Insists 
By Peter Lewis, Times Staff Reporter 

In their most commonly reported form, the aliens have large heads and stand 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall.  Their enormous eyes rest under a transparent helmet.

Clad in jumpsuits adorned with insignias, the humanoids walk in sure, positive movements.

Far Out?

Maybe so, but that's where they probably come from.

And Seattle resident Dale Goudie has talked to people who say they've seen them. 

Goudie has spent the last 14 years researching UFO's and using the Freedom of Information Act to collect federal documents that he contends prove UFO's exist.

The official position of the U.S. Air Force, for example, is that it got out of the UFO business when Project Bluebook ended in 1969.  But Goudie says the Bluebook was succeeded by Project Aquarius.

Since 1942, there have been an estimated 60,000 UFO sightings in the United States alone and only 5 percent of sightings are actually reported, Goudie says.  Feeding characteristics of the 60,000 sightings into a computer, 250 different shapes emerged, suggesting to Goudie that there may be more than one species involved in UFO's.

"The bottom line is: Don't believe me, but do read what is available" says Goudie, who has dedicated a room in his home to countless files and papers on UFO's.

"The real problem is, no one wants to take the responsibility of telling the American public this (UFOs) is real."

Consider a series of once-classified material on Project Aquarius:

An Air Force document dated Nov. 17 1980, from the Office of Special Investigations at Rolling Air Force Base in Washington, D.C. to OSI at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico refers to a "request for photo imagery interpretation."

Other papers indicate that the request stemmed from a series of "alleged sightings of unidentified aerial lights" over the Manzano Weapons Storage Area at Kirtland between Aug. 8 and Sept. 3, 1980.

An analysis of at least two pictures of the sightings concluded that the film was unaltered and that they were "legitimate negative(s) if (an) unidentified aerial object," according to the Nov. 17 1980, document.  Of the two confirmed sightings, one "contained a trilateral insignia on the lower portion of object...." 

The document also states: 

"The official U.S. government policy and results of Project Aquarius is still classified top secret with no dissemination outside official intelligence channels .... Because of a chance of public disclosure, no knowledgeable personnel with SPA (it's not clear it SPA stands for Special Project Aquarius, or something else) will be provided...." 

But another Air Force document dated Jan. 25, 1983, says "possible unauthorized release of classified material" cast doubt on the authenticity of the Nov. 17, 1980, document.  The later document says the earlier one included nonexistent offices and officers, it sought to discredit the validity of the purported imagery interpretation. 

When a Freedom of Information request letter dated Feb. 20, 1986, sought information on Project Aquarius, the National Security Agency responded, in part, with a letter dated March 3, 1986: 

"Please be advised that Project Aquarius does not deal with unidentified aerial objects.  We, therefore, have no information to provide you on the subject." 

But when U.S. Sen. John Glenn wrote the National Security Agency on Jan. 7 of this year on behalf of a constituent who was having trouble getting responses to Freedom of Information requests about Project Aquarius, the reply letter, dated Jan. 27, said in part: 

"Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name which dealt with UFOs.  Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name.  The NSA project does not deal with UFOs...." 

It is Goudie's contention that the responses about Project Aquarius demonstrate the government is saying one thing and doing another.  He theorized that the government is reluctant to admit the existence of even one UFO because as soon as it does, it fears opening the door to mass hysteria. 

Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the Air Force and the National Security Agency either declined comment or denied that any government agency is actively investigating UFO's. 

The Air Force quit studying UFOs in 1969 after a $500,000 study conducted by the University of Colorado concluded that "UFO phenomena do not offer a fruitful field in which to look for major scientific discoveries," according to Capt. Jay DeFrank. 

DeFrank noted that in 1977, President Carter asked the National Aeronautic and Space Administration to look into the possibility of resuming active investigation of UFOs. 

This is the same man who in 1973, when he was governor of Georgia, said, "I don't laugh at people anymore when they say they have seen UFOs because I've seen one myself." 

NASA spokesman Dave Garrett recalls that agency's response to the president: "We said, "Thank you, but no thank you." We have never been in the business." 

Dennis Chadwick, chief spokesman for the National Security Agency at Fort George Meade in Maryland, an arm of the Pentagon, would not say whether NSA or any other government agency is actively investigating UFOs. 

Goudie, a 45-year-old freelance ad man and former TV talk-show producer, is not deterred by the government's stance.  Two years ago, he established a computerized UFO bulletin board - CUFON (for Computer UFO Network) - that has more than 1,400 members.  It spits out information, free of charge, to anyone with a computer and a modem.

He also runs UFO Information Service International, a global network of UFO sightings, and Puget Sound Aerial Phenomena Research Inc. 

None of these enterprises, he says, is a moneymaking operation.  Goudie says he and others like him have been helped in their many Freedom of Information requests by military personnel who want the public to know about UFOs, but who can't afford to be named. 

Many of the documents he's obtained indicate that "suspicious unknown air activity" has occurred at top-security military installations where nuclear weapon are stored. 

The documents relating to UFOs dropping in on Air Force bases have been published elsewhere - and professional skeptics such as Philip Klass, an editor with "Aviation Week & Space Technology," have written books debunking the authenticity of those and other sightings. 

But Goudie notes the government itself has never volunteered any information, much less any explanations, about UFOs at military bases. 

"You can explain anything away," says Goudie, referring to Klass and the other debunkers, "But these aren't solid answers." 

Goudie also says he has consulted with "optical physicists" who have performed "video-negative photoanalysis" of video tapes of UFOs to substantiate that the objects are not of this earth. 

Goudie also says he has interviewed about 40 people over the years who claim to have been abducted by UFOs.  All occurred in rural areas, including some episodes outside Redmond, in Maple Valley and north of Seattle.  He thinks about three-fourths of them are telling the truth. 

In many cases, the victims have suffered physical scars that they didn't have before their encounter, Goudie says.  "I've tried to get these people to come forward.  They don't want anything to do with newspapers.  They're scared to death of losing their jobs..." 

Considering the threat to national security and the risk to civilians, Goudie believes the government has an obligation to be more forthcoming. 

You don't have to look to faraway places for physical evidence of UFOs, according to Goudie.  He has a videotape of an object flying over Tacoma in 1982, enhanced by a process know as "video negative photo analysis" which allows the viewers to see vertical and horizontal lines within what Goudie calls "the plasma" that covers the true shape within.  He expects the video to air on Sunday's Town Meeting" on KOMO. 

Television, specifically a Dick Cavett shoe that aired in 1973, stated Goudie's preoccupation with UFOs.  He's since appeared on CNN's Larry King Show and CBS-TV network news shows, among others. 

He has spent countless hours and dollars pursuing UFOs. 

His goal, he says, is to see the subject become an area of serious scientific inquiry. 

"I'm doing it because I think people deserve the facts, and no one's taking the time to do it." 


Weekend Australian article, June 27 - 28, 1987
...
Paper   : The Weekend Australian, June 27 - 28, 1987
Reporter: Christopher Hanson in Washington D.C.
Title   : UFOs Swooped Over US Bases

Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) have been swooping over United States military bases, causing concern in the Defence Department, according to government documents released yesterday by a group of UFO researchers. 

The president of the Seattle based UFO Information Service Mr. Dale Goudie, said the Defence Department documents, released on the eve of a three-day conference on UFOs at American University in Washington DC, were provided to him under the Freedom of Information Act. 

One US Air Force document, dated September 9 1980, describes the sighting of UFOs by security guards at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico the month before.  It said three guards, interviewed separately, each described an "unidentified light in the air" that swooped over a weapons storage area just before midnight on August 8 1980. 

It "traveled with great speed and stopped suddenly in the sky". The three first thought the object was a helicopter. However, after observing the strange aerial maneuvers (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills... they witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high rate of speed, the document said. 

( Secret )

Thirty minutes later, it said, another guard reported seeing a similar craft at a nearby military research station.  "After driving closer, he observed a round disc-shaped object ...as he approached on foot armed with a shotgun, the object took off in a vertical direction at a high rate of speed.  The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the US Army and stated the object was not a helicopter." 

Mr. Goudie said the reported New Mexico incident was one of many at US military bases, but he provided no further documentation. Another document released by the group, dated November 17 1980, said film taken of UFOs traveling at high speed appeared to be authentic and referred to a top secret Project Aquarius that investigated UFOs. 

Mr. Goudie said the Air Force, which gave him the document, could not vouch for its authenticity.  His group was hunting that up.  The document had evidently been in official files.  He released a January 27 1987 letter referring to Project Aquarius sent to Senator John Glenn, an Ohio Democrat, by the National Security Agency (NSA). 

Reuters 


USA TODAY article, June 28, 1987
...
By Bill Cox   
FLORIDA TODAY - and - USA TODAY   Newspapers 
June 28, 1987 

Accusations fly as "ufologists" air concerns 

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"Information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for.  I think the records are compelling, and yet most Americans aren't even informed about it." 

 - Dale Goudie, UFO Information Service 

WASHINGTON DC - Two million people watched two mammoth unidentified flying objects cruising at low altitudes between Argentina and Chile on the afternoon of Aug.17, 1985.  Soil and vegetation samples underwent significant biochemical changes following a UFO landing at Trans en Provence, France, on Feb.8, 1981 

After cataloguing nearly 6,000 UFO's over 40 years the Italian government in 1984 directed its Air Force to keep a lid on the investigations.  Such claims were made here Saturday by UFO investigators from around the planet as the International Symposium on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena entered its second day.  The meeting, at the American University, drew more then 400 people, along with representatives of an assortment of media, including Penthouse magazine, the Voice of America, Strange Magazine, Omni magazine. 

The Soviet news agency Tass, WKSG-FM in Detroit and the People's Daily news paper of China.  They registered to hear international speakers from as far away as Australia and Great Britain accuse their respective governments of UFO cover-ups. 

Mr. Dale Goudie of Seattle Washington, displaying documents that report on Air Force investigation of a purported UFO landing at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico in 1980, asserted he was getting support from a handful of congress-ional leaders to conduct hearings on the phenomenon.  We are not going after these things as UFO's" Goudie said, distributing documents that he obtained through the Freedom Of Information Act and that were compiled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. 

Goudie said, "We're going after it as a National Security Problem," If these bases were indeed penetrated -- as they apparently were -- then the NSA ( National Security Agency ) should have "interpreted that as an Aggressive Act, as an act of War." 

" This information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for," Goudie said.  "I think the records are compelling, and yet most Americans aren't even informed about it.  For some reason, the mass media is reluctant to pursue this thing and I don't understand why.  Tom Dooley of San Antonio, who said he worked for the NSA from 1978 to 1982, also voiced concern over the alleged UFO penetrations of Kirtland. "Yes, it does disturb me," he said. Not because there were necessarily these UFO's that got in but because it means that anything could get away with something like that. 

Dooley said the NSA isn't involved with collecting UFO data.  I'm sure if they were so concerned about flying saucers, they would've said something to me about it, he said.   I was a founding secretary for the Fund For UFO Research back in 1978. I made no secrets about it.  I even had bumper stickers pasted on my locker. 

The premise at the symposium this weekend has been that UFOs do exist.  In paying homage to the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek, a former Air Force investigator and UFO skeptic-turned-believe, Temple
University historian David Jacobs said Hynek's death last year marking the end of an era.  If a new era is emerging in "ufology" - the study of UFO's - it is concerned with the recent and prevalent accounts of people having been abducted for short periods by alien beings, some say. "Now, we're in a situation of looking back at the external characteristics of the phenomenon we've compiled over 40 years, and looking ahead to the motivations of the intelligence behind the phenomenon," Jacobs said. We are on the verge of an intellectual breakthrough of incalculable....importance. 

For Zhang Yunwen, a Washington D.C. correspondent for China's People's Daily, the UFO symposium was too good a story to pass up.  "No I have no information on attitudes of our government on the UFO's," Zhang said. I don't think our government is involved.  But I do believe readers in China are interested in this.  It's not religious, it's not superstitious - it's a mystery. You can be skeptical about this, but I think there are quite a few good sightings which need some kind of research. 


Press conference background and D. Goudie letter to P. Klass

Mr. Klass issued the challenge which resulted in the above press conference on The Larry King Show, CNN Network, when he appeared with Mr. Goudie, May 14, 1987. 

Upon his return to Seattle, Mr. Goudie called CNN asking them to mediate the challenge and inform Mr. Klass that Mr. Goudie accepted the challenge.  Mr. Klass subsequently called Mr. Goudie to discuss this matter. The June 3, 1987 letter from Mr. Goudie to Mr. Klass reproduced on the following page confirmed the content of that telephone call.  A Postal Service return receipt was signed June 8, 1987 by Mr. Klass. 

Mr. Klass did not show up for the press conference.  However he did appear on The Sonya Live Show, CNN Network, the day following the press conference with Mr. Goudie.  Mr. Klass would not talk about the information released at the press conference, nor has he done so to this day.

Mr. Goudie was also interviewed on the CBS Radio Network News the evening of the press conference, as well as subsequently making various other television and radio appearances.
...

Mr. Philip J. Klass                          June 3, 1987
404 N St. Southwest
Washington, D.C. 20024

Dear Mr. Klass: 

          This is in response to our telephone conversation wherein you requested confirmation concerning the press conference which is going to be held in Washington D.C. on Thursday, June 25th at 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon at the National Press Club in the Zenger Room. 

The press conference will focus on the alleged cover up by certain agencies of the United States Government with regard to the reality of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) or Unauthorized Aerial Objects (UAO's) and I will not say that you are sponsoring the Press Conference, as you requested. 

All documentation will be distributed to the members of the press a few minutes before the press conference begins; and shall also be distributed to any other individuals who attend, Senator John Glenn's material will also be part of this package, as was mentioned on the Larry King show on the CNN News Network May 14, 1987.

If I can be of further service to you, please do not hesitate to call or write. 

Sincerely,
/s/  Dale D. Goudie 

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