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THE AVIANO UFO
This footage has been around for sometime. It was released in the U.S. by researcher Paola Harris at the 36th Annual International MUFON Symposium in Denver, Colorado 2005. Paola lives in Italy and was given a fourth generation copy by an anonimous source who told her the video was recorded in Aviano, Italy near from the infamous Aviano Air Base, center of a UFO controversy.
According to Paola Harris the original videographer remains unknown and the object seems to be terrestial in origin, more properly some kind of military prototype remote controlled. The feature in wich the disc dissapears at the end raises questions for the italian researchers and Paola thinks the military may be involved.
Paola Harris mentioned that this was clearely a flight test since the videographer was in position focusing the camera where the disc appears initially. The object is not CGI. The footage was analyzed in Boulder, Colorado and they concluded this was a physical object most probably a remote control prototype. The case still remains inconclusive.
From Paola Harris:
No! This old Film Footage I have been showing for 3 years and It was given to Us Italian Researchers... not By the Air force. It is our Technology.
I had a cassette examined in Hollywood by my friends Rob and Rebecca Gordon who had the connections and money to do it. It was a 7th generation - copied 7 times - cassette. It was given to us with no explanation. It is a real object in the film. It has been shown in my MUFON and Laughlin Presentations and someone put it on U-TUBE and Google!
This all takes place in the Veneto region of Italy at a place called Ponte di Giulio. Near Aviano NATO Base. It is a dry river bed where the military does maneuvers and the photographer was on a tripod waiting for the object to come out of the woods. I doubt aliens appeared there!
Originally posted by free_spirit a member of ATS Post ID3123447
Important statement by researcher Paola Harris regarding the controversy around the alleged UFO footage from Italy.
Amazing UFO Video Shot By Italian Air Force
I met Paola Harris
at the IUFOC in Laughlin, Nevada on March 2007. I
asked again if she had new information about this
controversial footage but she said there are still
may unsolved issues regarding this video like the
anonimous source that sent copies to several Italian
researchers. The location is already recognized as
Last year I also met Paola at the IUFOC in Laughlin when she gave me a copy of the video and told me the same story that she released at the MUFON Symposium in 2005 so the footage by now is somehow old but for some reason arose recently in YouTube and Google awakening the big controversy.A few Italian researchers got also a fourth generation copy from the same anonymous source but it seems that they decided not to go along with the story.
Paola was the one who originally released the footage in the US. There are still many questions unanswered even for Paola Harris. I received her statement today by email and she requested to be distributed to clarify her involvement.
I would like to have
more answers to those questions. It's my point of
view that this case will remain inconclusive due to
the absence of more information.
Originally posted by internos a member of ATS Post ID3639757
The film has been firstly sent by an
Anonymous to Antonio Chiumiento, who is an
This is the video of the first time
it has been disclosed on TV:
It should have been filmed here:
A closeup of the sighting area...
...some guys went to the area of the
sighting [some] time after the sighting took place,
and took some pics:
... and the distance between Aviano
AFB and the sighting location:
On Google Earth, THIS Ponte di Giulio does not appear in the results of the searches.
The column visible in the film is
the one of a hydroelectric grid.
Frames From Video As Saucer Stops To Hover Then Regains Forward Movement
From SANTIAGO YTURRIA GARZA
The Following posts were made at ATS and reprinted with permission of StargateSG7, a member of ATS
posted by StargateSG7
As the elusive StargateSG7 who has previously commented on YouTube about this particular UFO, I understand based upon personal experience in Aviation circles that this craft is a medium scale UAV (Autonomous Aerial Vehicle) craft that uses mostly COTS (Common Off The Shelf) parts consisting of an aluminum airframe containing a large and very powerful Rotax (i.e. Bombardier) motor that is attached to two counter-rotating ducted fans (within the craft's centre-of-hull) that also has multiple thruster ports (as per the blowup photo by Ortonos) to directionally stabilize the craft on any axis.
The fins on the top of the craft are NOT
necessarily used for directional stability
but rather used for directing airflow over the
sides of the upper hull so as to create faster
moving air thus creating a slight vacuum that
As a video production expert and also being very mechanically inclined, I think I can explain the sudden acceleration at the end of the video as a video editing effect used probably for simple artistic reasons or for "Future Potential" marketing purposes.
As per revelation on the makers of this craft, I did see a table-model of something eerily similar at a sales expo at a certain American Mil-Tech company (R**T***N) who's sales officer commented that Bombardier Aerospace (Canada) had teamed up with an Italian Motorcycle/Airframe Manufacturer, a French military aircraft maker and a German electronics corp.
Through some diligent digging, I believe that the Italian airframe maker is Motobecane, the German electronics maker is Robert Bosch (who make avionics) and the French D'assault who makes jet fighters and Specialty CAD/CAM/FAE software (re: Airflow Simulation and Finite Element Analysis products)
The Hystar connection came about when Bombardier was mentioned in 1986 to 1988 being interested in making UFO shaped Lighter-Than-Air ships to use on Forestry/Mining/Logging and heavy cargo lift operations in Canada and around the world and thus they connected to Hystar Aerospace Marketing Corporation of Maine (Hystar-Maine) formed in 1986 and then merged into Nova Star Innovations of Nevada and eventually shut down.
The Hystar design is the "Ancestor Design" of the Italian UAV craft but it was too unstable and it's Lighter than Air leanings made it too unwieldy to ever make it a commercial success BUT by adding vectored thrust and POWERFUL navigation and Fly-By-Wire systems, the future Italian UAV design is more than able to work as a Photo/Video Reconaissance craft, Flying Sentry, Small Scale Cargo Lifter and as a Weapons Delivery Platform.
I also understand that it currently uses JP series aviation fuel but that Diesel versions are in the works to increase the current 25 to 50km range to 200+ km by pressurizing the diesel fuel tanks and using advanced fuel management (i.e. by R. Bosch GMBH) to vastly increase range.
Based upon the design and the probable size of about 4 metres in diameter by 1.75 metres high I suspect it weighs about 250 to 300 kilos dry weight and based upon some further inquiry, I suspect a larger and lighter version made of Carbon Fibre is being developed which will increase the flight performance envelope and carrying capacities. I would also NOT be surprised that the Rotax engine itself will be eventually made of a heat-resistant ceramic/composite construction.
Based upon personal experience in real-time machine control software design, that it's a real B**** to develop and test low-latency software that can ACCURATELY control ducted fan airflow, thrust vectoring nozzles, fuel management and still monitor & react to surrounding flight conditions in an autonomous manner.
My own system that I am developing for
Photo/Video recon is pretty easy to build of
Carbon Fibre and the Engine is a modified
Sea-Doo/Ski-Doo Rotax but designing and coding the
SOFTWARE for Remote Control (RC) has been an UTTER
Originally posted by StargateSG7
posted on 30-4-2008 @ 04:25 PM THIS POST ID 4289454
In continuation of my earlier comment, one reason that this craft is only recently being seen is that UAV software is sooooo difficult to create and that so many variables go into flight envelope shaping that trying to design & test such control software requires a very diligent team of testers and coders to create effectively.
Effects" (i.e. Antigravity) is a waste of time for
this vehicle since there is nothing really THAT NEW
about its design. The Avro Aerocar was similar in
shape when it was created in the 1950's/60's but of
course in those days they didn't have Fly-By-Wire
controls and Active Flight Control software with
Machine Vision and
And based upon my own medium-scale RC design and manufacturing experience, this craft is NOT that hard to build from aluminum and COTS parts. Again is the flight control software that will make or break a consumer, commercial or military version of this craft.
Based upon some intelligent guesswork, I'd say the craft took about 10 to 15 million US Dollars in Startup and Initial Development costs and about $2 to 3 million for a first prototype.
Final Production Run Costs would be in the $700,000 to $800,000 range and probably sold for $1.5 to 2 Million a pop to interested militaries plus maintainance contracts at $400 to $500 per hour (2 mechanics)
For a diligent backyard mechanic, I can base home-build costs on my own personal experience at about $50,000 to $60,000 for the airframe and engine plus some FREE LINUX-BASED OPEN SOURCE flight control software that won't crash your home built UAV too often...which means I have an expensive hobby !!! ;-)
I suggest you start small and DEFINITELY get a small-scale CNC machine and Autocad Inventor software so you can at least machine your own parts!
You don't need to build something like the 4 metre version I did but rather a small RC-type unit about 50 cm across and then scale each newer version up by 50 cm until you get your designs right and extensive low-level flight testing in hand.
My version has a
range of only a few thousand metres but then again,
using a cheap gas-powered Ski-Doo Rotax engine
doesn't make for a very powerful or high-flying UAV.
Mine's still running in Ground-Effects mode until I
straighten out my flight control software which has
been a complete nightmare of convoluted design,
illogically bundled open source and custom code plus
limited testing...I am now doing a complete re-write
of the flight control code using Borland Delphi for
ease-of-maintainance and also putting my craft
through a cycle of Linux-based finite element
analysis and airfoil testing & simulation
software so I think I might get it all fixed in
about a year to 18 months or so... then I can
finally do my own backwoods Photo/Video recon,
just-for-fun type stuff near my home town of
Originally posted by StargateSG7
posted on 30-4-2008 @ 11:02 PM THIS POST ID 4290514
I just wanted to clear two things up....
The original Hystar was NEVER BOUGHT by Bombardier, it just that they took a look at it during Expo 86 (I was there!) thinking they MIGHT want to try their hand at UAV's (and they HAVE - See Peanut Prop-based UAV).
And when the Hystar-Maine company was started, the Hystar company tried to market a proposed Lighter-Than-Air heavy lifter for logging and remote cargo transportation. Being so light, it was far too susceptible to cross-winds and in 1986 there was no reliable long-range Remote Control capabilities so this project simply ran out of money and was shut down due to lack of interest.
Secondly, In my earlier posts and on my YouTube postings, I said the companies that are involved in this are Bombardier, Motobecane, D'assault and Bosch... I Should Have Said that "I UNDERSTAND FROM EXTERNAL SOURCES AND IT IS MY BELIEF" that these are the actual companies involved!
statements should not have been relied upon as an
ABSOLUTE FACT but rather an informed and logical
estimate of the situation based upon Aviation
industry sources and intelligent fact checking. I
must therefore apologize if anyone took my statement
as ABSOLUTE FACT when they are actually
...like I said
earlier, I saw something eerily similar as a model
on a tabletop at Raytheon and a sales guy said it
was from a large Canadian Aerospace manufacturer
(i.e. Bombardier/Canadair) who just happens to also
make the Peanut-shaped double-counter-rotating
propellor-driven UAV plus an Italian Motorcycle
So I hope this clears up my answers on the Italian UAV/UFO sighting!
And in case anyone is wondering WHAT I AM DOING building a UAV, I've had this in mind for many years (Since 1998) and it was the Avro Aerocar that piqued my interest in making a new kind of UAV for Television Broadcast applications and Fast Digital Street Mappinguses... Like all projects of mine... it's taken 5 time longer than I thought and 5 times more expensive!
What I thought was
going to be a two year project has taken almost 10
years and cost $60,000+ CANADIAN and this year my
final tally will be in the $90,000+ range after I
add my custom-built 16-processor IBM CELL Processor
Motherboard plus 6 Hi-Def cameras pointing in all 6
directions so I can do multi-axis, 60 frames
I know that sounds like overkill, but I've been doing high-end video programming and codec design for almost 15 years now and this is the horsepower it takes. After fiddling with too many open source flight control projects, I got ticked off enough that I finally decided to write one from scratch using 16 milliseconds (and less) interrupt driven, real-time code of my own design and so far it ACTUALLY WORKS !!!!!!!
I have also used some custom-designed FAE software and airfoil design to refine my ducted fan port designs and turbofan blade design. Originally built of 8000 series aluminum, I crashed my first model and am now building the airframe out of Carbon Composite Fibre.
And now that I have my own CNC machine (i.e. not using the Electron-Beam Rapid Prototypers at work!), I can build a Rotax engine and turbofan system out of Alumina-based Ceramic which is heat resistant to 1750+ Degrees Celcius - That'll up my max engine thrust to something like 2500 LBS+ of Thrust which not bad for a home builder!
That means those
2000 MM gyroscopically-stabilized lenses I've been
building for the six Hi-Def cameras
I've not finished
the terrain following part of my software but the
vision recognition, fuel management and thrust
vectoring software works great! Soon It'll Be No
More Silly Ground Effects flying!
Originally posted by StargateSG7
posted on 30-4-2008 @ 11:11 PM THIS POST ID 4290533
Yes! You can quote me... I've got even MORE JUICY TIDBITS on some exotic engine designs for UAV's like this Italian one using highly pressurized LPG and even Specially Compressed Diesel for fuel to increase fuel efficiency and extend range to Hundreds of Kilometres!!!!!
I've haven't gone that route YET, but after I complete my software and IF everything works on MY UAV, I'll give the Compressed Diesel design a shot since My CNC machine can machine Ceramic, Glass, High Carbon Steels, Titanium and more exotic Ceramic Composites to ANY shape I want since I'm pretty expert at using SoftImage XSI and Autodesk Inventor at doing design & modelling and then computer aided machining.
I hope my
words have been illuminating....
Originally posted by StargateSG7
posted on 1-5-2008 @ 10:38 PM THIS POST ID 4294020
I will post a link to a high-definition video of my UAV on my website once I have completed the main Carbon Fibre Airframe.
I crashed my aluminum version which was
flying in ground-effects mode (i.e. on a cushion
of air much like a hovercraft but without the
rubber skirt) but even using an El Cheapo Ski-doo
Rotax engine it's range was still
I have already tested a small-scale RC helicopter with a beta version of my Vision recognition software and it can follow streams, coastlines, roadways, and can recognize doorways, windows, common vehicles and people and either AVOID THEM or FLY RIGHT TO THE OBJECTS and TRACK THEM FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME!
I will release ALL my source code and
UAV plans to the Public Domain when I am done so
that others can build fully autonomous UAV's that
have GPS and Vision Recognition Flight Control
Modes, have multiple gyroscopically stabilized
cameras, robotic arms and even cargo payload
capabilities in addition to long ranges
This may take a year or two, but I have lots of technical ability, so getting it DONE is NOT a problem...My only issue is that there are only a couple of hours a day I can devote to this because I also have a normal life to lead, otherwise I could have everything done in 6 months if I devoted myself full time!
My current model is 4 meters in diameter and can carry 500 kilos or 1200 pounds as payload BUT is is NOT CURRENTLY designed to be MANNED by human beings !!!!
My next version will be 10 metres across
and will have a MUCH, MUCH MORE POWERFUL CERAMIC
ENGINE outputting 10,000 pounds of thrust which I
will use to do HDTV Video AND Hi-Rez Still Photo
My preliminary engine design for my 10 metre version allows such heights based upon my current FAE and airflow dynamics testing and simulation. With some tweaking, I should be able to break 100,000+ feet with flight times in excess of 12 hours based upon my own custom-built fuel management software and real-world testing using highly compressed, high-performance fuels and no other payloads other than cameras.
It's payload will be 2000 kilos or almost 4500 pounds and with my custom-built 2000MM lenses it'll be like having my own personal photo recon satellite and if I can get past 100,000 feet I can legally go into ANYONE's AIRSPACE at my whim!
Then there will NO LIMITS AS TO WHAT AND WHERE I WILL BE PHOTOGRAPHING upon which I will then release ALL those photos/videos of our favorite secret places to the Internet as public domain.....
Russia, China, Canada, USA, Japan, Oz, India,
Iran, Europe, etc. There's a NEW GUY IN TOWN and
HE'S GOT GOOD RECON GAME !!!!! Plus my aircraft
and engine design skills are ABSOLUTELY FIRST RATE
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