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PARA: Untersberg - The Mystery Mountain Posted by Skyfloating, on August 24, 2008 @ 02:43 PM In August 1987 three people entered a Mountain in Southern Germany to explore several caves. They did not return and neither the police nor mountaineers found any trace of them – except for their car parked at a parking place nearby. 3 months later they called their relatives from a ship in the red sea that was heading for Alexandria, Egypt. They claimed to have no knowledge how they had gotten there, that 3 months had passed or what had happened inside that mountain. In Alexandria they went to the Consulate and returned home. (More on this story page 12 of this thread). Welcome to a tale of Time Portals, Elves, Fairies, Gnomes, Extraterrestrials, Subterranean Civilizations, The Holy Grail and Paranormal Phenomena surrounding a Mountain bordering Germany and Austria called "Untersberg". Ive personally visited this mountain twice on research expeditions and will relay my own experiences in later posts. Contents:
Disclaimer: This section does not constitute an endorsement of Hitler but examines an obsession he had On a 1992 visit to Austria, the Dalai Lama specifically asked to see the Mountain, calling it “a sleeping Dragon” and “The Heartchakra of the World” (chakra refers to an energy center in eastern terminology). But this was not the first world-famous person to know of the mountain. Hitler was obsessed with it, hoping to gain access to supernatural beings and power to turn a war that he was loosing. Hitler built a House on top of a mountain on the border to Austria (called "Berghof") from which he could view the Untersberg (direct translation: Under-Mountain) all day. He believed the mountain and that which was inside the mountain to harbour mystical powers that would help him beat his enemies. So that he could pursue his obsession more intensely, he acquired telescopes, not made for the purpose of star-gazing but especially equipped for earth-gazing. This is Hitler beside one of the telescopes pointing at the Untersberg: One reason he became intrigued by the mountain is because of reoccuring events, legends and tales of people gone missing, people experiencing missing time, encounters with elves and extraterrestrials and passageways to what Hitler called “the inner earth”. A recent expedition (August 2008) into the gigantic cave-system under the mountain revealed that it goes down so far, that its lowest point had not been reached yet. The cave explorers had to return from their expedition without knowing how far down it goes. According to a German newspaper report they had gone down 1056 meters before being forced to return at an abyss-like precipce. This had been accomplished by being able to pass an extremely narrow passageway that had been previously unpassable. They also discovered more than 800 new passageways and, believe it or not, a lake in 930 meters depth. They crossed it with a rubber boat. Editors Note: German newspaper report translation One view from the inside: |
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2. Missing People
Similar to the Bermuda Triangle, hundreds of people have gone missing in the area, either a) Never to be seen again or
Missing People have been so frequent that German and Austrian newspapers regularly carry stories on the Mystery. This one shows a police helicopter in search of a couple that recently (2008) went missing (and also addressing the time-leap theory): Ancient Legends report of "little people" coming out of the mountain and "little people" flying aircraft from the mountain up into the sky. There are also many hundreds of ancient legends surrounding this mountain that involve the phenomenon of "missing time", as known in modern UFO-Abduction Reports. Addendum: See Here |
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3. Time Travelling
Dwarfs & Underground Tunnels
The following excerpts are summarized and translated from 18th Century books on German Mythology by various authors. Some of them are also featured on plaques near the site and in historical accounts of museums. This is only a very small part of the old accounts, more to come;
The following historical account from the 15th Century talks about missing time experienced by someone having entered the mountain. It also talks about Tunnels leading from a mountain under a lake called "Konigssee" (Kings Lake) to a church there. As I will later show there is evidence of tunnel-systems in the area and they knew that hundreds of years ago! The "Kings Lake": Lazarus AignerThis says that in 1529 a guy called Lazarus Aigner took a hike up the mountain in the company of the mayor and parish priest of a nearby town. Below one of the peaks of the mountain they found a little chapel that was worked into the rock and silver inscriptions that they could not read or decipher. Having returned back home the priest couldn’t get the inscription out of his mind and asked Lazarus to return back to the place and copy the words. The inscription: S. V. R. G. E. T. S. A. T. U. M. Dusk had fallen and Lazarus thought it would be better not to go back down the mountain but stay overnight. That was on Wednesday evening. He slept well and woke up on Thursday morning feeling refreshed. Some time had passed on his way down when he encountered a barefoot monk carrying a keychain and reciting from a prayer book. Lazarus was amazed and ask him where he is from and where he is going. The monk told him he´d like to give him something to eat and also reveal to him what the silver writing found at the chapel means. The monk led the way to an iron door worked into the mountain and opened the iron door with one of his many keys. Lazarus trat ohne Furcht durch dieselbe. Da sprach der Mönch also: «Lege Denen Hut allda nieder, so kannst Du wieder hinaus; und so du herinnen sein wirst, so sprich zu Niemandem ein Wort, es sage Einer zu Dir, was er wolle. Mit mir aber darfst Du reden und mich alles fragen. Merke auch wohl, was Du siehst und hörst." Nach diesen Worten schritten Beide durch das Tor. Da sah Lazarus einen großen Turm mit einer goldenen Uhr geziert. Der Mönch sagte zu ihm: «Schau an die Uhr, auf welcher Stunde der Zeiger steht und um welche Stunde es ist". Und es war sieben Uhr. Weiter stand ein schönes Gebäude mit doppeltem Glockenturm, einem ansehnlichen Kloster ähnlich, in üppig grünender Wiese. Ein dunkler Tannenwald umrahmte die letztere und ein monumentaler Brunnen spendete aus zwei Rohren frisches, erquickendes Quellwasser. Auf der Wiese standen Obstbäume voll der seltensten Früchte.Lazarus entered without fear. The Monk asked him to put down his hat and never ever to mention the place to anybody but to listen and look carefully. Upon entering the space inside the mountain Lazarus saw a tower with a golden clock and the monk ask him to take careful note of the lock and what time and hour it showed. It was 7 o`clock. Lazarus describes buildings, trees, fountains, rare fruits, and a gigantic church or temple-like structure… (Im skipping sections of the story which describe a choir of people singing in that church and the monk leading lazarus through various buildings and structures and inviting him to dinner and wine) Nach beendeter Mahlzeit und nachdem das Tischgebet gesprochen war, führte der Mönch den Aigner in die Bibliothek, deren Wände angefüllt waren mit Büchern in Baumrinde und Schweinsleder gebunden. Von da aus blickte Lazarus wieder ins Freie und sah viele Bischöfe und Herren in prachtvollen Gewändern, Frauen und Jungfrauen. Und da er fragte, wer dieselben wären, so sagte der Mönch: «Es sind alte Kaiser, Könige, Fürsten, Bischöfe, Ritter, Herren und Knechte, Edel und Unedelgeborene, Frauen voll Frömmigkeit und Herzensgüte, wie überhaupt nur gute Christen, welche den christlichen Glauben in der letzten Zeit des Bestandes der Welt erretten und verteidigen werden".After the meal the monk lead him to a library. When Lazarus asked who all the people were that were living here the monk said that they are “old souls who had done well in their life and will defend mankind in the endtimes”. In the books Lazarus found the same inscriptions he could not decipher and didn’t understand any other books either because they were written in Latin. The monk also showed him 12 doors. Of these doors he said that they lead to 12 surrounding churches. They took one of the doors which led through an underground tunnel to one of the churches in a place called St. Bartholoma. This tunnel also lead under a lake called “Königssee” – Note: This church is famous for very strong geomagnetic anomalies, more on this later. The monk made note that they had to reach these churches secretly, without being detected by outsiders. I am skipping a part that describes visits to other churches and also Lazarus realization that some of the people inhabiting the mountain are deceased people and kings who died long ago. Am siebenten Tage jenes Aufenthaltes im Untersberg sagt der Mönch zu Lazarus, nachdem, sie von der Kirche zu Unserer lieben Frau auf der Gmain nach Hause gekommen waren: «Lazarus, nun ist es Zeit daß Du wieder hinausgehest; oder willst du herinnen verbleiben, so magst Du es auch tun". Doch jener meinte, ihn verlange nach der Heimat; der Mönch gab ihm hierauf noch zwei Laib Brot mit auf den Weg und sagte: «Solches iß im Heimgehen und sei hinfüro fein demütig, derweil du lebest". Hernach führte er ihn zur Tür, durch welche er gekommen. Als Lazarus auf Verlangen seines Begleiters die Uhr schaute, zeigte der Zeiger genau dieselbe Stunde wie er gekommen - 7 Uhr.On the 7th day of his stay the monk gave Lazarus the choice to stay or go back home. Lazarus missed his home and the monk accompanied him out, asking him, once more, to look at the clock. It was exactly at the same hour it had been when he arrived: 7 o´clock. The monk explained that “no time had passed” although Lazarus knew 7 days had passed. The monk said: “If you wish to live, then don’t tell anyone what happened to you for 35 years. You may reveal it after 35 years. Now go in peace” Exactly 35 years later Lazarus wrote his story down, and died only a few days after. SOURCE: Geheimnissvoller Untersberg Teil I - Josef Schedel Mythen über den Untersberg (Oberbayern) UPDATE: Additional Info The church at "Koenigssee" from which, according to ancient legend, tunnels lead to and from Untersberg: |
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4. Personal
Experiences Pt 1: Koenigssee
Before I continue with reports of time-travel and dwarfs... My profession (conducter of workshops for companies) led me to hold a 10 day workshop at the location of "Koenigssee", the lake which is about 15 miles south of the mountain. I booked myself in for an extended stay of 18 days. This was the first time I was there but I returned there privately a few years later. One of those days, I took a guided tour of the whole WWII set-up since the place had been one of the main bastions of Hitlers Empire. Residing on top of mountains did make strategic sense as incoming troops and planes could more easily be spotted. The tour-guide showed us various nazi-bases and buildings, all quite grandiose and megalomaniac in architecture. It is from the tour-guide that I learned that the entire area was full of bunkers and tunnel systems, leading through mountains, under lakes, under towns, etc. This is common knowledge among scholars and locals. What is less common knowledge is that, besides building new tunnels, Hitler made use of ALREADY EXISTING Tunnels in the area. At least according to my tour-guide and some locals I questioned. According to a few mystery-minded locals, tunnels were known to be here since hundreds of years ago. As far as I can tell its not possible to reach the chapel/church St. Bartholomae (talked about and shown in a previous post, alleged location of an undeground tunnel to the untersberg) by foot...unless you´re a mountain-climber. You have to take a boat or ferry there. I did take a ferry there twice, on both visits. The ride takes about half an hour and on the way there the make a stop at a certian part of the lake they call the "Echo Rock". One of the ferry-guides takes out a trumpet, blows it, and the sound reverberates and echoes in the most awesome way in that you hear the echo about 10 seconds after the initial blow. Nothing mystical about this of course. But the guides then go on to tell legends and tales of the area in an attempt to entertain the guests. What I learned when arriving at the chapel is that the area contains some of the strongest magnetic anomalies found on the continent. And indeed, in walking around there (specifically: a 500 foot walk from the chapel) I experienced a dizziness and nausea like never before in nature. Leaving the area, the dizziness faded away. Returning back to it, the dizziness returned. Anyone who wants to can try it out themselves. The tour-guides and locals know exactly where that spot of land is. Upon my second visit to the chapel I decided not to return to the ferry with the rest of the tourists but to stay in the area and walk around it. I walked to the end of one side of it, thinking I might be able to walk back to the place I started off at with the ferry, but couldnt, for two reasons: First of all, the path ended and was replaced by a rough mountain cliff. Second of all, to my left side, there was barbed wire and a sign of the erman military reading "No Trespassing". Just why there was a barbed wire in military-caution on this otherwise lovely half-isle is still a mystery to me. If you ever go there yourself, walk all the way down to the end of the half-island and see for yourself. The Area on Google Earth: .. .. .. |
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5. Personal
Experiences Part 2
The Untersberg is so huge it takes around an hour to drive around it. That is... if it were possible to drive around it. There´s one side of it that have no roads leading it or adjoining villages. That's a tough part to get to. The most accesible parts are the parts tourists are channelled to for mini-cave-sightseeings and a few paths in the woods. On my two visits there I spent the sum of 3 days walking and driving around the area. I did not see any of the dwarves mentioned in countless legends but always had a sense of excitement and oddity while wandering around there. My two extraordinay experiences involved vivid and lucid dreams at night in a Hotel there and spotting a glowing Orb descending behind some trees beside the mountain while walking through woods at the mountain side. This was at night, in the rain. The Orb was purple and something I will never forget. Other than that I spent plenty of time reading plaques, museum stories, having tour guides and asking locals about the legends. The legends are widely known, but the dwarfs seem not have been seen since a century. None of the locals report any sightings. Most material on them predates the 20th Century. That wraps up my own experience there. I will continue with more old legends involving missing time. Addendum:
Yes, the thing with the Orb. Its not necessarily connected to the location I was at, because Ive had my fair share of strange sightings throughout my life at other locations too. Its a typical experience one might have when one is "in the mood" for such an event. A purple ball, maybe the size of a car, going down at a slow speed (like a balloon), out of sight behind trees. It was raining and dark. My excitement was magnified by the fact that I was actually walking alone on a path in the woods in the dark. It caused me to soon turn and make my way back to the street, deciding that I had seen enough for the day. You know, we call for this type of stuff to happen, but when it actually does, we´re sometimes not keen on more of it happening. Like "Yeah, very nice, but dont come too close!". It was translucent, pulsating. Otherwise I would have seen it as a balloon. |
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6. More Dwarfs
and Time-Slip Phenomena
...continued from previous posts on pre 19th-Century Legends The story about a wedding group in St. Leonhard (a village at Untersberg) that had disappeared was written down in 1858 by German author Bernaleken: »Einst zog ein reiches Bauernpaar samt seinem Gefolge aus einem Dorf in ein anderes naheliegendes, um dort bei den Eltern der Braut das Hochzeitsfest zu feiern. Lustig und fröhlich, unter Begleitung einiger Musiker, zogen sie die Straße entlang und kamen zum Untersberg. Nachdem sie hier angelangt waren, fing einer aus der Gesellschaft an zu erzählen, daß in der Gegend ein Kaiser mit einem bedeutenden Heere verschwunden sei und daß seit jener Zeit hier Geister erscheinen, welche die in dieser Gegend Wandernden beschenken.This tells the story of a group of people who were celebrating a wedding by walking from one village to another playing music and being jolly. Having arrived at their place of destination, one of the groups members told a story about a King who´s entire staff of soldiers had dissappeared here. He said they had been "abducted by ghosts". Sogleich fing der Bräutigam an, den Geist zu rufen und zu bitten, er möge sie mit etwas beschenken. Auf einmal öffnete sich der Berg und ein grau gekleideter, kleiner Mann mit silberweißen Haaren erschien, der ihnen eine Türe in das Innen zeigte. Die ganze Gesellschaft folgte ihm nach, und sie kamen in eine Reihe schöner Zimmer, in deren einem eine Tafel gedeckt war und Speisen und Getränke aufgetragen standen Die ermüdeten Brautleute und ihr Gefolge setzten sich zu Tische und ließen es sich schmecken. Nach dem Mahle bedurften aber alle des Schlafes, weil sie etwas viel getrunken hat ten. Beim Tische sitzend entschlummerten alle ruhig. Als sie erwachten, führte sie der Berggeist hinaus.Thats when the groom starting calling for the Ghost to appear and send them gifts. Suddenly a grey-dressed dwarf came out of the mountain. He had silver hair and showed them a door leading to the inside of the mountain. The entire group followed and they witnessed several beautiful rooms and were invited to a festive board. The group, tired from there walk, sat down to eat and drink. That's also where they fell asleep. After they woke up, the small person in the grey suit led them back out of the mountain. Bei Tage kamen sie an die Erdoberfläche, allein sonderbar alles hatte sich ihnen während dieser Zeit ganz verändert. Die in dieser Gegend Wohnenden verstanden ihre Sprache nicht überhaupt schien es ihnen, als seien sie in einem ganz fremder Lande. Nach mehreren Tagen kamen sie in ein Dorf. Sie fragten, wie es heiße, und erhielten den Namen ihres Heimatortes zur Antwort. Aber auch hier schienen sie nicht zu Hause zu sein. Sie suchten ihre Wohnhäuser und fanden sie nicht; denn an deren Stelle standen ganz andere, neugebaute Häuser.But as they returned to the surface, everything had changed. They hardly understood the language of the people. Arriving at the village the ask what the name of the village is, which looked completely different, and they got the name of their home village as an answer. But they didn't feel at home there. Looking for their homes they found other, newly built homes. They went to the priest of the church and told him everything that had happened. The priest opened his books and found, that the married couple and group had disappeared 100 years ago. {{{This particular time-slip and dwarf story was written down in 1858, apparently describing something that happened "hundreds of years ago" that was recorded in the annals of the local church of St. Leonhard. I posted it representing at least several hundreds of similar stories from the area. The conservative catholics living in the area since hundreds of years, are known for meticulous recording of events and tales.}}} SOURCE: Geheimnissvoller Untersberg Teil II - Josef Schedel Mythen über den Untersberg (Oberbayern) |
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post
by bigfatfurrytexan
Maybe the barbed-wire and "no trespassing" sign (which can't be seen if you only follow the normal tourist route around that church... you have to stray off the beaten path to see it) was not actually military. Thats only my interpetation, recollected from memory. Fact is that there wasn't much else to go except back to the ferry/boat. I posted a google-earth image earlier that shows the location of the place "St. Bartholoma" at "konigssee". This is the location of the magnetic anomaly and also where, according to ancient legend, a tunnel leads to the untersberg. Looking at the google-earth image close-up you´ll notice no military area in sight. Addendum:
News from Redaktion_LocalXXL
At Berchtesgaden Unterberg a 24-year-old American is missing since Monday 16 June. The woman did not return after a walk from the house Stöhr. All search activities since then were not successful. The young woman from Colorado, USA was at a height 1894 meters lodging house to visit with her friends, the innkeepers. During the afternoon she was out with the hut land lady on the plateau. Approximately at 18.30 the women separated just minutes away from the cabin. The American wanted to go a bit, her companion returned to the house Stöhr. When the tourist did not show up by dark, the hosts began the search around the hut, but without success. As of Tuesday morning, a 24-member search team of mountain rescue men and police mountain guides with four search dogs were deployed. They scoured the area around the house Stöhr, remaining snow fields, rim fractures and sinkholes (cavities in the rock). In addition, all current boarding trails and climbing routes to the mountain house were checked. In the evening, the view improved so much that even a police helicopter was used. From the air using thermal imaging cameras and searchlights, the Südabstürze[Southern faces] of the plateau were investigated. In addition, a SAR-military helicopter was also used. Around midnight, the search was interrupted and resumed at daylight on Wednesday. Despite all the efforts so far no trace of the missing women was found. It is feared that something has happened to the 24-year-old. The woman is dressed in black jogging pants, a yellow T-shirt, jean-colored fleece jacket and walking boots. She is wearing a brown headband. The missing person does not have a backpack or food. Hikers on the lower mountain, that have seen the missing person since last Monday afternoon and have noticed something else relevant to the case are asked to report to the police department Berchtesgaden by phone 08652/94670. |
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7. Monument
to commemorate deceased Kings made of Untersberg marble
This bavarian monument, called "Walhalla" (1842) was erected to commemorate deceased Bavarian Kings. The material (stone and marble) to build it was taken from the Untersberg. This is interesting because legends of the mountain often refer to deceased inhabitants and the rocks could have been taken from any other place than the mountain. Therefore the builders seemed to have ritualistic or invokative intentions when building. .. |
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8. Green Fog
Hermes placed His foot upon the skull of the vanquished Typhon. The next instant, with a blaze of unbearable glory that sent the neophyte staggering backward against a pillar, the immortal Hermes, followed by streamers of greenish mist, passed through the chamber and faded into nothingness. Excerpt from "The Life and Teachings of Hermes Trismegistus" In "The Philadelphia Experiment", those involved in time-travel describe the process being accompanied by a "greenish fog". The reason I bring this up is because this type of fog has been mentioned in the pre 19-th-century tales but also been witnessed by modern day locals. "Green Fog" is a part of the whole Untersberg-Saga. |
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9. More on the
1987 Time-Jump to Alexandria
[Note: If some German ATS-member can help me find the original newspaper stories that were printed in pre-internet times, that would be great] As mentioned in the opening post there was an alleged time-jump of one man and two women who dissappeared at the Untersberg and reappeared 3 months later near Alexandria. These stories appeared in normal newspapers as follows: In August of 1987 the newspapers carried a story of these three cave-explorers dissappearing. No mention of time-portals or paranormal phenomena. Newspaper headlines were in the lines of "Cave-Explorers Dissappeared - assumed dead after cave accident"(These reports directly contradict later attempted "debunks" by pseudoskeptics, claiming that these people never dissappeared in the first place). In November of 1987 (3 months later), [i]normal[/i] newspapers carried another story: The "missing people" had reappeared in Alexandria. These reports mentioned possibilities of mysterious phenomena, time-jumps and time-portals and reported amnesia by the group of three. According to some of these reports, they did not know how they got there.The most obvious indicator that this story is a lie is that it is virtually impossible to "accidentally" cross the border to Yugoslavia. Fact is that the train from Salzburg to Villach doesnt even come close to the Yugoslavian border by hundreds of miles. And even if it had, there were at that time (1987) strict border controls before passing into the country. And how likely is it that someone would travel to the Red Sea (Israel, Egypt) without a passport? The search team who had been looking for them in 1987 did find a checkered blouse near a place they had been. It is common for cave-explorers to leave a piece of clothing outside the cave, should they go missing. However, this place was not a visible cave entrance but, according to legend, a cave-entrance that only opens on a certain public holiday (Himmelfahrt - Christs Ascension Day) - the 15th of August. The very day the group was at the Untersberg! Unfortunately the group denied the blouse belonging to them. And conveniently, some other tourist called in at the newspapers, claiming it to be her blouse... albeit 3 months later. Newspaper-sources omit the names of the group for their protection (since they deny everything and want to be left alone), however... old newspaper archives (1987) should still carry them. So, we are supposed to believe that they "accidentally" travelled through half a dozen countries without a passport for 3 months. It seems quite possible that they are either a) Keeping it secret for their own reasons or b) were forced to invent a cover-story. |
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