Of Giants
Rumors, Myths and Reality
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Genesis 6:4


"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." - King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

We have all heard the story of the Nephelim, the stories of Giants in the Bible like David and Goliath. But in Genesis 6-4 were these truly giants or just famous men "men of renown" like Bill Gates is a corporate Giant today?

Perhaps we will never know. This thread will explore the Rumors, Myths and Reality of the Giants. There are many stories found in ancient tomes and many more on the modern internet. To be sure many hoaxes also exist out there... So lets begin with the stories and see if we can follow in the footsteps of Giants. We make no claim that any of the stories are the truth.


Afghan giant challenges US forces
Thu, 29 Jul 2010




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An Afghan youth in the southeastern province of Paktia has challenged US troops to a wrestling competition, saying he can beat two strong US soldiers simultaneously.

He says such a competition could be held in presence of hundreds of spectators, a Press TV correspondent reported.

The man also expressed interest in taking part in an international wrestling event, where he can win a reputation for his violence-wracked country.

The Afghan tribes are known for their physical strength in the region. They have fought invaders of Afghanistan throughout the history.

Afghan giant challenges US forces - Press TV


Angus Macaskill

Let us not forget the Cape Breton Giant, Angus Macaskill: Pulled boats ashore with his bare hands and a rope, and could lift a ton over his head (reportedly without too much great difficulty).


Angus MacAskill in Uniform beside a (6 feet 5 inces tall) canadian friend - Public Domain

By BigFatFurryTexan

I am fascinated with stories of giants in human history.  I was first captured by stories of the Philistines in the bible.  When I came across stories of “The Leopard People” of indian lore, it seemed very similar to the stories of the Philistines.

But these are all stories, poorly documented and seemingly further on the side of “tall tales” than historical fact.  This is what really intrigues me about Angus Macaskill.  He was a true giant, not one of the ones with a faulty pituitary.  He grew to nearly 8 feet tall, and was strong like the Gods of old.  From Wiki:

        MacAskill was born on the Isle of Berneray in the Sound of Harris, Scotland. His father was Norman MacAskill, who stood 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m) tall, and his mother was Christina Campbell. Angus had twelve siblings, several of whom died young. Apparently Angus was an ordinary-sized baby. After several years in Stornoway, Outer Hebrides, the family settled in the fishing community of Englishtown, Cape Breton Island around 1831.

        As a child he was also said to be of normal stature, but in entering his adolescence he began to grow rapidly and by his 20th year had attained 7 ft 4 in (2.24 m), eventually reaching 7 ft 9 in (2.36 m) within another year or two. His early adult weight was 425 pounds (193 kg), but usually was over 500 pounds (230 kg). His shoulders were 44 inches (110 cm) wide, and the palm of his hand 8 inches (20 cm) wide and 12 inches (30 cm) long; by 1863 he was wearing boots 17.5 inches (44 cm) long. His feet were probably around 13 in. long and 8 inches wide. He had deep-set blue eyes, a musical, if somewhat hollow voice and a mild and pleasant manner. Despite his size he was well proportioned.

        He was known in his home community of St. Ann’s as “Gille Mňr” (translated to “Big Boy”). He was also known to many as the “Cape Breton Giant” or simply “Giant MacAskill.”

        When MacAskill was approximately 14 years old he travelled on a fishing schooner from St. Ann’s to North Sydney and the crew took him along to a dance. An altercation with a dancer led to MacAskill striking his tormentor’s jaw with his fist. That gentleman landed in the middle of the floor and was unconscious for so long the other dancers thought he was dead. When the captain returned to his schooner he found MacAskill on his knees praying that he had not killed the man.

        MacAskill was well known for feats of strength such as lifting a ship’s anchor weighing 2,800 pounds (1,300 kg) to chest height, and an ability to carry barrels weighing over 300 pounds (140 kg) apiece under each arm or reputedly able to lift a hundredweight (50kg) with two fingers and hold it at arms length for ten minutes. People also claimed to see Angus lift a full-grown horse over a 4-foot (1.2 m) fence, without breaking a sweat.

        In 1849 he entered show business and went to work for P.T. Barnum‘s circus, appearing next to General Tom Thumb. In 1853 he toured the West Indies and Cuba.[2]Queen Victoria heard stories about MacAskill’s great strength and invited him to appear before her to give a demonstration at Windsor Castle, after which she proclaimed him to be “the tallest, stoutest and strongest man to ever enter the palace”, and presented him with two gold rings in appreciation.

        The fishermen of St. Ann’s envied MacAskill’s strength. While they laboriously bailed their boats, MacAskill set his weight under his half ton boat, tipped it on its beam ends and reportedly emptied the bilge water. He also reportedly single-handedly set a 40-foot (12 m) mast into a schooner.

        There are various accounts of an incident with an anchor that may have taken place in New York or New Orleans. French sailors apparently taunted MacAskill to lift an anchor lying on the wharf, which was estimated to weigh 2,200–2,700 pounds (1,000–1,200 kg). MacAskill easily did so and walked down the wharf with it, but one of the anchor’s flukes caught in one of his shoulders, crippling him. However this was not the cause of his death, as he lived for many years thereafter.

        After a show business career demonstrating his size and strength in Europe and North America, he returned to his home community of Englishtown and purchased a gristmill and several other real estate holdings as well as a general store. One story is that a customer wanting to buy tea would be asked by the giant, “will you take a pound or a fistful?”. Since tea was expensive in those times, most would ask for a pound, realizing that MacAskill’s fist would easily hold more than a single pound of tea.
This man was truly a mountain.  Being 450-500 lbs is nothing special (especially in modern America).  But the fact that he was so strong…this is what surprises me.  This is what is noteworthy.

I am a former weightlifter.  I understand the difficulty in getting just 1 barrell that weighs 300 lbs hoisted.  It is unwieldy, at best.

This is a gentleman that I surely would have loved to have met.  The “Cape Breton Giant” is among the largest and strongest men in recorded history.

Angus Macaskill - bigfatfurrytexan.wordpress.com

Angus MacAskill - Wikipedia



"Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax
James Owen for National Geographic News
December 14, 2007


Image originated on Worth1000.com

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The hoax began with a doctored photo and later found a receptive online audience—thanks perhaps to the image's unintended religious connotations.

A digitally altered photograph created in 2002 shows a reclining giant surrounded by a wooden platform—with a shovel-wielding archaeologist thrown in for scale. 

By 2004 the "discovery" was being blogged and emailed all over the world—"Giant Skeleton Unearthed!"—and it's been enjoying a revival in 2007.

The photo fakery might be obvious to most people. But the tall tale refuses to lie down even five years later, if a continuing flow of emails to National Geographic News are any indication. (The National Geographic Society owns National Geographic News.)

The messages come from around the globe—Portugal, India, El Salvador, Malaysia, Africa, the Dominican Republic, Greece, Egypt, South Africa, Kenya. But they all ask the same question: Is it true?

More on the story at National Geographic "Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax

The following video contains some other images I have not found yet

RACE OF GIANTS found in India


YOUTUBE LINK




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Canadian artist IronKite used this mastodon-excavation phototaken in 2000 in Hyde Park, New York as the basis for his entry in an online photo-manipulation contest.

The altered photo lies behind persistent Internet rumors, spread since 2004, of archaeologists unearthing ancient human giants.

news.nationalgeographic.com


National Geographic

Nephilim Found? Giants found in Greece?


Image source: Unknown, circulating via email. Story covered on Urban Legends.
These images are of unknown source and circulated via email.

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So far I've only been able to locate the original of one of them, but it serves as clear proof that Photoshopping took place. Image #4 was created by inserting an outsized human skull into a photo of a 1993 University of Chicago dinosaur dig in Niger, Africa (see the original here). If you look at a blow-up of the doctored image, the skull appears flattened and unnatural (and one of the workers actually appears to be standing on it!).

Giants in Greece - Analysis - Urban Legends

Snopes.com says;

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In any case, we don't need to know the specific origins of these photos to definitively determine that they're fakes.  The square-cube law makes it a physical impossibility that humanoids of the size represented by these bones could ever have existed.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/giantman.asp

The Email Photos

India Desert Skull Found In The Empty Quarters



Another fake folks from you guessed it worth1000. This one is an obvious fake though. The skull is in too good of condition and too bright in colors. It was created for a Photoshop contest at worth1000 a couple of years ago.

Giants Found in Greece





Although Internet sleuths have been unable to track down where the photo of the original human skeleton Ironkite used may have come from, it does show up in another photo-shopped picture that has made the rounds with emails about Giant Discoveries. You might not recognize him at first, but take a look at a side-by-side photo. That’s an unmistakable smile!

So what about the photo and email about the Greek discoveries, described in the beginning of this article? As you may have guessed by now, it too was photo-shopped.



Here’s the original photo, on the left, which was taken of a 1993 University of Chicago dinosaur dig in Niger in Africa. On the right is the photo-shopped version with the skull inserted.
 
Notice that, except for the skull, both are almost identical …except the shop-artist has narrowed and elongated the long bone at the bottom of the picture!  He evidently decided that this would make the bone look more like a human bone than the original stubby dino bone. SOURCE: Isitso


Uncovering a sleeping giant in Nevada


I did not know Nevada had an ocean? That looks like it was at a beach. To me it looks like the men are uncovering a sunken ship or something else. That skull is way too bright to be real. SOURCE: BlankExit

18 Giant Human Skeletons Found In Wisconsin, 1912



There is a great story below in the “SOURCE” link, about 18 skeletons that were found in a Wisconsin, burial ground in 1912. The photo above supposedly is an enhanced colored version of one of those skeletons found. I believe it’s fake. The skeleton to me does not look like it’s laying correctly, since the man is standing on flat ground. This one is up for debate :D. What do you think real or fake?
- SOURCE: Giant Human Skeletons Discovered in Wisconsin? By Kimberly Ruble on February 4, 2014

"Giant Skeletons" Fuel Web Hoax



This is one from the above video...  identified as another image from Worth1000

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This digitally altered picture has been featured widely on blogs debating the existence of ancient giantsspeculation fueled in part by false reports of huge skeletons unearthed in India, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere.

news.nationalgeographic.com



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As if one fake giant skeleton weren't enough, other images across the Internet have bolstered claims of massive human remains

news.nationalgeographic.com

David and Goliath


Osmar Schindler (1869-1927): David und Goliath, 1888

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Goliath or Goliath of Gath (one of five city states of the Philistines) is a figure in the Hebrew Bible (Christian Old Testament). Described as a giant Philistine warrior, he is famous for his combat with the young David, the future king of Israel. The fight between them is described in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and, more briefly, in the Qur'an.

The purpose of the original story was to show David's identity as the true king of Israel. Post-Classical Jewish traditions stressed Goliath's status as the representative of paganism, in contrast to David, the champion of the God of Israel. Christian tradition gave him a distinctively Christian twist, seeing in David's battle with Goliath the victory of God's King over the enemies of God's helpless people as a prefiguring of Jesus' victory over sin on the Cross and the Church's ongoing struggle against Satan.


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Goliath's height

Goliath's stature grew at the hand of narrators or scribes: the oldest manuscripts — the Dead Sea Scrolls text of Samuel, the first-century historian Josephus, and the fourth century Septuagint manuscripts — all give his height as "four cubits and a span", about six feet nine inches, or 2 meters; later manuscripts increase this to "six cubits and a span," about nine feet nine inches (3 meters).

David and Goliath - Wikipedia


So this tale of a Giant transcends all three major religions, but it seems, like the tales of fisherman, he grew as time went on


The young Hebrew David hoists the head of the Philistine Goliath - Gustave Doré (1832-1883)

The following image and story is from a Christian Origins website and gives us an interesting slant on one of these Giant stories... the age old battle between Creationists and Evolutionists. I have posted the entire entry to ensure that there is no mis-representaion of this article.

Though the images are faked, the stories around these photos seems to indicate that there really was a discovery made where the original photos disappeared and the fakes added to discredit the find.

In this case, I will just post the evidence as I find it and let the reader dig deeper and make up their own minds

Arabian Giant Skeleton Update: Hoax Warning And New Developments



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Skeletal remains of a giant found already partially uncovered in the South East of Saudi Arabia by an oil company (ARAMCO geological team). The government covered up the incident and seized all evidence and 99.9% of photographs. It was combated on the internet by releasing a series of fake giant photos to dumb down the find.

For more info go to:http://objectiveministries.org/creation/news.html - SOURCE


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8/2/2004 

Since posting the previous story regarding the giant human skeletal remains found in Saudi Arabia, I have received a number of e-mails. From what people were saying, it at first appeared that the story might actually be a hoax, as the picture being circulated with it (see the Muslim newspaper article I previously linked to) turned out to have been doctored by a notorious Internet prank organization. I was, of course, skeptical of that photo from the beginning: the skeleton depicted in it would have belonged to a man at least 100 feet tall, which is clearly preposterous and not supported by Scripture. (Muslims are, unfortunately, susceptible to this sort of tomfoolery since they rely on the Koran, which contains much incorrect information poorly cribbed from God's true Word: the Bible).

However, I continued to investigate this issue, calling on contacts in the Middle East to see if they knew anything about the story that the doctored photo was attached to, which was short on actual details, saying only that the bones were found "recently". Last month my investigation turned up evidence that an ARAMCO geological team had indeed uncovered something in southeast SA in the summer of 2000 which resulted in a contingent of the Saudi police (not the military as previously reported) taking over the site. A missionary in Saudi Arabia (who insists on anonymity due to the extreme anti-Christian persecution going on in that nation) has told me that it is well known among foreign oil workers whom he is in contact with that some sort of human remains were discovered in the desert. The workers' wild speculation on what these remains were ranges from angel fossils to the bones of Mohammed, but the most common claim is that they were giant human bones. Apparently, the rumor is that Saudi religious officials were concerned that the discovery could somehow contradict part of the Koran, thereby helping to propagate Christianity, so they sent in the Mutawwa'in, their notorious religious police, to silence the matter. Although this last part is almost certainly true, I'm of the opinion that the geological branch of the oil industry -- which is infested with Evolutionists dedicated to keeping careful watch over who has access to their secret knowledge that the Earth is really much younger than they publicly claim it to be -- was also involved and somehow manipulated the Saudis into covering up the findings.

Last week, as I was preparing to write an update on these developments, I received an e-mail from a video producer in Australia doing a documentary on the search for Noah's Ark (she's also, amusingly, a fellow nemesis of Dr. Dawkins, having managed to trap that slippery weasel on camera unable to answer a question about how new information supposedly "evolves"), who wanted to know more about the McGivern expedition and incidentally if there were any more photos of the giant skeleton. I warned her of what I had discovered about the photo being doctored and not of the actual skeletal remains, but later it occurred to me that there may actually be photos, since surely a finding like this would be documented, even by those who wish to bury it. I decided to contact the missionary and see if he heard of anything about photos being taken at the fossil site prior to the arrival of the police. He said that he had heard there were photos taken, but that the police had confiscated them all, however he would ask around and see if anyone knew any more.

Then, just this morning, I received an e-mail from a person in the Saudi oil industry who, understandably, wishes to remain nameless. He told me that he was working as a technician (not a geologist) with the team that found the skeleton and corroborated much of the rumors about the incident. The skeleton was indeed of a giant human and there was a police cover up. He then related that, knowing the importance of what he was witnessing, he managed to surreptitiously copy one of the photos taken at the excavation site from a digicam to his laptop just before the police came and took all the cameras. He has recently converted to Christianity, thanks to our mutual missionary friend, and is fearful of the Mutawwa'in, but wants the world to see the truth of what was found in the desert, and so he attached the photo from that fateful day:

Actual photo of the remains found in Saudi Arabia in 2000

As you can see, the skeleton in this photo is of a more reasonable size -- I estimate he or she stood between 15 and 20 feet tall -- and in line with what we would expect from Biblical research. The weathering on it is consistent with the technician's description that the skull was originally found partially uncovered by the winds, and the look of horror on its face is consistent with sudden burial by the Flood combined with realization of one's own wickedness. (I do not know who the person doing the excavating is, but I suspect he works for ARAMCO. However, it is probably best not to dig into his identity since it may put him or his family in jeopardy.)

I now believe that the doctored photo was purposely attached to the story and spread through e-mail by Evolutionists as a type of agitprop designed to make Biblical science look bad when the photo was eventually revealed to be a hoax. (Hoaxes like this involving pastiches are a common M.O. for Evolutionists; see Piltdown Man, Onyate Man, Nebraska Man, Archaeoraptor, and "Lucy", to name just a few.) Perhaps they knew that eventually this discovery would get out and they wished to poison the well with doubt about the story's authenticity. But thanks to brave Christians working under the threat of a Wahabi-Evolutionist axis of lies, the truth has finally come out.

Arabian Giant Skeleton Update: Hoax Warning And New Developments - Objective Ministries

Despite an obviously biased view point, there are some interesting oopart articles there well worth a look :D

Now the Muslim Article mentioned above is gone but I retrieved it via the Wayback Machine. As you can see below the image they use is the one we have already found to be a hoax for a photo contest...

Giant human skeleton found in Saudi Arabia
By Saalim Alvi from Riyadh
Apr 22, 2004, 12:04




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Recently gas exploration is going in the desert of south east region of Saudi Arabia. This desert region is called Empty Quarter, which means in Arabic "RAB - UL -KHAALEE"; this body has been found by ARAMCO exploration team. This proves what Allah SWT said in QURAN about the people of AAD nation and HOOD nation.

They were so tall, wide and very power full that they were able to pull out big trees just with the one hand. But what happen after when they become misguided and disobeys Allah SWT, Allah SWT destroyed the whole nation. ULEMA KIRAM of Saudi Arabia believes that this body belongs to AAD nation.

Saudi military took over this whole area. And nobody is allowed to go in this region except Saudi ARAMCO personnel's. Saudi government has kept it very secret but some military helicopters took pictures from air. And one of them he runs on internet here in Saudi Arabia.

© Copyright 2003 by The New Nation

Retrieved from the Internet Archives

Giant human femur bone. Found in Turkey


Giant human femur bone. Found in Turkey - Flickr

From the Flickr image site the caption reads;

"This is a giant femur bone from a Nephilim skeleton found in Turkey in the 90's. A casting of this femur bone is currently on exhibit in a South Texas museum. This man would have been around 20 feet tall."

This is another picture that is all over the internet but lets trace it via a few sites.
First the Christian site mentioned above:


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Giant Human Skeleton Found In Saudi Arabia 5/13/2004 

A Muslim newspaper in Bangladesh is reporting that the skeletal remains of a giant human were found by ARAMCO petroleum explorers in Saudi Arabia. These remains provide concrete evidences for the historical existence of the Nephilim described in Genesis 6:4, one of the tribes of Canaan who were the offspring of humans and angels. Unfortunately, the Saudi military has taken control of the site and is limiting access to ARAMCO personnel only. Fellowship University's Theobiology Department has been trying to get in contact with Saudi officials to offer them assistance from our trained Creation Science field workers, but we have only met with official denials. I fear that the Muslim government is trying to cover up the discovery since it contradicts certain Koranic misinterpretations of Creation.

    I should also note that this new find provides vindication for the report of Nephilim remains found in Turkey in the 1950s, which has unfortunately been the subject of Evolutionist derision since the remains were lost. (Interested Creation Science Museums can purchase a cast of a Nephilim femur carefully recreated from descriptions of the find by Joe Taylor of Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum.)

Giant Human Skeleton Found In Saudi Arabia - Objective Ministries

Welcome to Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum
Digging up the facts of God's Creation: One fossil at a time
24 W. Main, P.O. Box 550, Crosbyton, TX 79322
- SOURCE

Okay so that leads us to the model of this bone... but no trace of the original fossil


Source: Steven Quayle
Caption:
"This model, sculpted by Joe Taylor, of a giant human femur (leg bone) is a popular exhibit at Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum.
The sculpture is mounted over a drawing to scale to show how large this person was. There really were giant humans!"



Sculpted Giant Human Femur (cast) 47 in. (120 cms) sculpted by Joe Taylor
The size of one found by construction crew in Turkey - Source




So the question remains...

WHERE is the original bone?



Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900?s



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A US Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900?s that proves the organization was involved in a major historical cover up of evidence showing giants human remains in the tens of thousands had been uncovered all across America and were ordered to be destroyed by high level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution at the time.
The allegations stemming from the American Institution of Alternative Archeology (AIAA) that the Smithsonian Institution had destroyed thousands of giant human remains during the early 1900?s was not taken lightly by the Smithsonian who responded by suing the organization for defamation and trying to damage the reputation of the 168-year old institution.

During the court case, new elements were brought to light as several Smithsonian whistle blowers admitted to the existence of documents that allegedly proved the destruction of tens of thousands of human skeletons reaching between 6 feet and 12 feet in height, a reality mainstream archeology can not admit to for different reasons, claims AIAA spokesman, James Churward.


«There has been a major cover up by western archaeological institutions since the early 1900?s to make us believe that America was first colonized by Asian peoples migrating through the Bering Strait 15,000 years ago, when in fact, there are hundreds of thousands of burial mounds all over America which the Natives claim were there a long time before them, and that show traces of a highly developed civilization, complex use of metal alloys and where giant human skeleton remains are frequently found but still go unreported in the media and news outlets» he explains.


A giant human femur uncovered in Ohio in 2011 by the American Association for
 Alternative Archeology, similar to the evidence presented in court

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A turning point of the court case was when a 1.3 meter long human femur bone was shown as evidence in court of the existence of such giant human bones. The evidence came as a blow to the Smithsonian’s lawyers as the bone had been stolen from the Smithsonian by one of their high level curators in the mid 1930?s who had kept the bone all his life and which had admitted on his deathbed in writing of the undercover operations of the Smithsonian.

«It is a terrible thing that is being done to the American people» he wrote in the letter. «We are hiding the truth about the forefathers of humanity, our ancestors, the giants who roamed the earth as recalled in the Bible and ancient texts of the world

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The US Supreme Court has since forced the Smithsonian Institution to publicly release classified information about anything related to the “destruction of evidence pertaining to the mound builder culture” and to elements “relative to human skeletons of greater height than usual”, a ruling the AIAA is extremely enthused about.

«The public release of these documents will help archaeologists and historians to reevaluate current theories about human evolution and help us greater our understanding of the mound builder culture in America and around the world» explains AIAA director, Hans Guttenberg. «Finally, after over a century of lies, the truth about our giant ancestors shall be revealed to the world» he acknowledges, visibly satisfied by the court ruling.

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The documents are scheduled to be released in 2015 and the operation will be coordinated by an independent scientific organization to assure political neutrality.

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